Suspension 101
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Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, it just told me how much money I get to spend 
Anyway, my goals are to lower my Z about 1.5" or so. I don't want a super stiff ride, but i'll make compromises if it is worth it. Mostly just for DD but maybe an occasional track visit (since i'm putting the money in). Mostly, I just want to make sure I am spending most of the money initially and not have to worry about alignment problems, tire wear, etc. later.
On a budget of about $2k I plan to get :
-Stance GR+ True Coils - now the only thing I am concerned about these is the spring rate (12k/5k) After reading about it, I still can't understand it but if you think it is sufficient for my goals than I'll just go with them. Any better suggestions in that price range? Also, if you could explain the helper spring in the GR+ Pro's, is it worth it?
-Stance camber arms and toe arms. both $250. Rod end seems better for reliability and i don't mind the potentially noise that you mentioned. The camber arms have the inconvenient adjustment location. Big Concern?
-Kinetix UCA - Not worried about caster so I'll save as much as i can there.
-Lockout washers
Only thing I plan to neglect to get right now is any bushings. My car holds incredible alignment as it is so I'm hoping I can get away with it now, and if certain ones fail, I'm not stuck replacing all of them.
Any places for money to be better spent?
Colu
Anyway, my goals are to lower my Z about 1.5" or so. I don't want a super stiff ride, but i'll make compromises if it is worth it. Mostly just for DD but maybe an occasional track visit (since i'm putting the money in). Mostly, I just want to make sure I am spending most of the money initially and not have to worry about alignment problems, tire wear, etc. later.On a budget of about $2k I plan to get :
-Stance GR+ True Coils - now the only thing I am concerned about these is the spring rate (12k/5k) After reading about it, I still can't understand it but if you think it is sufficient for my goals than I'll just go with them. Any better suggestions in that price range? Also, if you could explain the helper spring in the GR+ Pro's, is it worth it?
-Stance camber arms and toe arms. both $250. Rod end seems better for reliability and i don't mind the potentially noise that you mentioned. The camber arms have the inconvenient adjustment location. Big Concern?
-Kinetix UCA - Not worried about caster so I'll save as much as i can there.
-Lockout washers
Only thing I plan to neglect to get right now is any bushings. My car holds incredible alignment as it is so I'm hoping I can get away with it now, and if certain ones fail, I'm not stuck replacing all of them.
Any places for money to be better spent?
Colu
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Thanks!!!
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Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, it just told me how much money I get to spend Anyway, my goals are to lower my Z about 1.5" or so. I don't want a super stiff ride, but i'll make compromises if it is worth it. Mostly just for DD but maybe an occasional track visit (since i'm putting the money in). Mostly, I just want to make sure I am spending most of the money initially and not have to worry about alignment problems, tire wear, etc. later.
On a budget of about $2k I plan to get :
-Stance GR+ True Coils - now the only thing I am concerned about these is the spring rate (12k/5k) After reading about it, I still can't understand it but if you think it is sufficient for my goals than I'll just go with them. Any better suggestions in that price range? Also, if you could explain the helper spring in the GR+ Pro's, is it worth it?
-Stance camber arms and toe arms. both $250. Rod end seems better for reliability and i don't mind the potentially noise that you mentioned. The camber arms have the inconvenient adjustment location. Big Concern?
-Kinetix UCA - Not worried about caster so I'll save as much as i can there.
-Lockout washers
Only thing I plan to neglect to get right now is any bushings. My car holds incredible alignment as it is so I'm hoping I can get away with it now, and if certain ones fail, I'm not stuck replacing all of them.
Any places for money to be better spent?
Colu
Anyway, my goals are to lower my Z about 1.5" or so. I don't want a super stiff ride, but i'll make compromises if it is worth it. Mostly just for DD but maybe an occasional track visit (since i'm putting the money in). Mostly, I just want to make sure I am spending most of the money initially and not have to worry about alignment problems, tire wear, etc. later.On a budget of about $2k I plan to get :
-Stance GR+ True Coils - now the only thing I am concerned about these is the spring rate (12k/5k) After reading about it, I still can't understand it but if you think it is sufficient for my goals than I'll just go with them. Any better suggestions in that price range? Also, if you could explain the helper spring in the GR+ Pro's, is it worth it?
-Stance camber arms and toe arms. both $250. Rod end seems better for reliability and i don't mind the potentially noise that you mentioned. The camber arms have the inconvenient adjustment location. Big Concern?
-Kinetix UCA - Not worried about caster so I'll save as much as i can there.
-Lockout washers
Only thing I plan to neglect to get right now is any bushings. My car holds incredible alignment as it is so I'm hoping I can get away with it now, and if certain ones fail, I'm not stuck replacing all of them.
Any places for money to be better spent?
Colu
being lowered, the compression rod bushing will tear fast......month if that...
translink inner tears with time....so long as its centered its good.....once its torn and kicks off to the side....
-J
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ill check that out later on...
thanks man.......ya......it did take a while! still is.....lol...
-J
thanks man.......ya......it did take a while! still is.....lol...
-J
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Another question for those with solid or urethane or mixed bushing set ups. Are the Solid bushings from SPL noisy or create a lot of vibration? I like to enjoy my Z as a DD too and with my suspension setup I can tweak it to suit my needs for track road race etc within a short time but with the bushings once its done its done
I know the solid bushings are better and if well engineered should last a long-time and be no worse than urethane for NVH. Can those of with the SPL setup or even mixed SPL and stock or urethane bushings share your experiences please. I had opted out of the well priced Whitelines due to lack of the compression rod bushing but I have now found a company in England called Superpro who make the urethane compression rod bushing and all other urethane bushing for the Z including the steering rack and swaybar bush and more. They are big in UK racing scene and cater for all popular cars.
http://www.superpro.eu.com/Catalogue/ then click online catalogue
Main UK retailers: http://www.tdcautomotive.com/02-Coupe_B243AI.aspx
Their parts list/names are confusing as they use different names to the OEM suspension parts. See schematics below to locate what part corresponds to what.
They even offer eccentric bushes to dial in fixed camber, toe and castor increases where applicable. The increase for front camber is 0.5degree. Need to find out the rest. It is appealing to those with mild lowering or needing to extend aftermarket part range
It frees up the option of mixing this up Whitelines for full urethane bush setup all round. Superpro is not cheap but with Whitelines should offset the overall costs, leaving room for other parts
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It now all depends on the NVH feedback with SPL bushes before I pull the trigger either way..
The only pitfall I can see going all urethane is that most good aftermarket arms have solid bushes which will mean mixing solid and urethane in some areas but I these dynamically it should not be too much of an issue.
I know the solid bushings are better and if well engineered should last a long-time and be no worse than urethane for NVH. Can those of with the SPL setup or even mixed SPL and stock or urethane bushings share your experiences please. I had opted out of the well priced Whitelines due to lack of the compression rod bushing but I have now found a company in England called Superpro who make the urethane compression rod bushing and all other urethane bushing for the Z including the steering rack and swaybar bush and more. They are big in UK racing scene and cater for all popular cars.
http://www.superpro.eu.com/Catalogue/ then click online catalogue
Main UK retailers: http://www.tdcautomotive.com/02-Coupe_B243AI.aspx
Their parts list/names are confusing as they use different names to the OEM suspension parts. See schematics below to locate what part corresponds to what.
They even offer eccentric bushes to dial in fixed camber, toe and castor increases where applicable. The increase for front camber is 0.5degree. Need to find out the rest. It is appealing to those with mild lowering or needing to extend aftermarket part range
It frees up the option of mixing this up Whitelines for full urethane bush setup all round. Superpro is not cheap but with Whitelines should offset the overall costs, leaving room for other parts
.It now all depends on the NVH feedback with SPL bushes before I pull the trigger either way..
The only pitfall I can see going all urethane is that most good aftermarket arms have solid bushes which will mean mixing solid and urethane in some areas but I these dynamically it should not be too much of an issue.
The fear of the SPL solids making noise is moot..........THEY DON'T....
now, if you slam your car super low with 20 inch rims.......then the spl compression arm bushing will make contact due to the ridiculous angle your asking out of it, and that will make noise....
the links you gave from superpro are nice, but urethane for the compression rod bushing is not gonna be any better.......it will tear if you lower the car....
its cool they have camber increased bushings but having the adjustability of an aftermarket upper front arm is much better over having those bushings, so its moot unless it gets you where you want it, and you never plan to change.....
it is cool there is another option, but doesn't seem worth it all....
The steering rack bushings and stuff are nice to find though..
-J
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they should hold up just fine.........i would like to know which ones exactly they are...as in teflon lined, etc........ive seen cheap rod ends have the teflon pound out and then the ball just dangles around inside the rod end....so with out knowing i couldn't comment any further..
-J
-J
they make it sound very good..
but time will tell .i ordered them . and gonna give them a shot..
this is what stance says about them.
The Stance links use Aurora's strongest billet 3 piece rod end bearings. Aurora bearings use a sintered steel ball to handle extremely high loads. Rod ends feature special chemical bonded PTFE liners for smooth operation, less noise, and long life. The rod end housings are heat treated and zinc coated for strength and durability. Our rod ends offer a high misalignment angle for extreme performance.
i guess it will be testing this ( special chemical bonded PTFE liners) i wonder what the special chemical is?
Last edited by wrecker; Mar 7, 2011 at 09:20 AM.
Its probably just regular ptfe Teflon. They call it special to make it sound special lol
They should last for a few years if you rinse them well during the winter. Ptfe is great
They should last for a few years if you rinse them well during the winter. Ptfe is great
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maybe i will just Ducktape it over and over till i cant see it any more..
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What is your opinion on the megan track coilovers? I'm currently running the tein flex and would like more height adjustment (go lower). I need something stiff so the 14/12 spring rates of the megan tracks looked appealing. Plus the rear is a true coilover. What do you think? Thanks in advance.
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What is your opinion on the megan track coilovers? I'm currently running the tein flex and would like more height adjustment (go lower). I need something stiff so the 14/12 spring rates of the megan tracks looked appealing. Plus the rear is a true coilover. What do you think? Thanks in advance.
What is your opinion on the megan track coilovers? I'm currently running the tein flex and would like more height adjustment (go lower). I need something stiff so the 14/12 spring rates of the megan tracks looked appealing. Plus the rear is a true coilover. What do you think? Thanks in advance.
371lb up front and a rear wheel rate of 639lb. I wonder how drunk they were when Megan came up with those rates.
^ LOL I caught that as well but I assumed they meant 12k rear when compared to oem type. No one in their right mind would match a true type 12k rear to a 14k front..at least I hope not.
I did look into stance and there is a whole bunch of research on them which is why I didn't ask about it, I could just look it up. But there doesn't seem to be a whole lot on megan (tracks). The general consensus I'm getting is that they're garbage, but there are mixed reviews and I'm wondering if the people that don't like them actually tried them or just bash them cuz they're cheap
I mean, they are made with BC racing and BC seems to get really good reviews. Thoughts?
I did look into stance and there is a whole bunch of research on them which is why I didn't ask about it, I could just look it up. But there doesn't seem to be a whole lot on megan (tracks). The general consensus I'm getting is that they're garbage, but there are mixed reviews and I'm wondering if the people that don't like them actually tried them or just bash them cuz they're cheap
I mean, they are made with BC racing and BC seems to get really good reviews. Thoughts?
I've been told the main problem on the Megan Track's (and basic version as well) tend to be a lack of dampening/incorrect valving. They work well on relatively smooth surfaces but as the surface degrades so does their relative performance. I haven't noticed that with my own set (Spec RS's) but that's what a Megan tech thought along with a few others people who's opinons I respect.
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spacers & alignment
If I get my alignment done and then measure for appropriate spacers and install spacers, would a 20mm or 25mm spacer introduce enough negative camber to require another alignment?
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