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I'm debateing wether I should go with the tein basic dampner or just and koni shocks to my eibach setup. Can anybody give me some suggestions on what to do. I just want to get rid of the bounce and it doesn't handle as good as I want it too. What are the best sway bars to go with? I was thinking cusco!
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Originally posted by denic79
The height is great, but the ride is s***. I have 19x9 on the front and 19x10.5 in the rear with 245/35/19 front and 285/30/19 rear.
The height is great, but the ride is s***. I have 19x9 on the front and 19x10.5 in the rear with 245/35/19 front and 285/30/19 rear.
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Originally posted by wutafobb
tein basic..eibach is too soft, plus basic is coilover so it will match better than just random springs with koni.
tein basic..eibach is too soft, plus basic is coilover so it will match better than just random springs with koni.
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denic79, haha I recognize those pics from the Z meet down the cape.. I just got a set of Tein basics yesterday (not installed yet) and have hotchkis sways coming (good luck to me gettin' them )..
I hate the bounce too and I have a serious pull to the right problem that the dealer can't seem to fix...tire feathering?... I only have 3.5K miles on my car so time will tell...I'm hopeing the new setup will kick ***.. fingers crossed
You are welcome to take a ride in my car at the next meet
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I hate the bounce too and I have a serious pull to the right problem that the dealer can't seem to fix...tire feathering?... I only have 3.5K miles on my car so time will tell...I'm hopeing the new setup will kick ***.. fingers crossed
You are welcome to take a ride in my car at the next meet
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Originally posted by HanZolo
Koni's are adjustable which allows you to match the dampening with the spring rate. Stiffer isn't always better.
Koni's are adjustable which allows you to match the dampening with the spring rate. Stiffer isn't always better.
On Tein Basic dampners, their preset dampner valving is the same as a Tein SS coilover set to 8 out of 16 adjustment levels (btw, Tein SS coilovers will be out for these cars soon).
Another thing to consider is that the Basics do offer more spring stiffness over oem. Oem spring rates are 314/342
Tein Basic (HKS Hypermax II use's same spring rates)
Front:504 Rear:504 F+61% R+43%
Transfers +18% to front
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Soften it up
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Tein Basics offer 60% greater stiffness with dampners that are matched to them. And the vast majority of lowering springs for the car are not truely in the performance realm being progressive so they can work with the oem dampners, which also explains why they offer up about a 23% maximim increase in spring rates over stock rates. koni's for this platform use less compression dampning then oem, not a compromise I care for. They are also single adjustable for rebound (rate of return), so you can't get back the compression dampning Koni took out. The Koni's will have a limitation on how much spring rate you can increase and still work effectively with the rebound turned up. It is most always a lower figure then Koni Quote's as the max poundage. No matter what it is likely that the Koni's offer better valving control then oem on oem springs. But my past experience is, rebound only adjustability does not yield great results when upping spring rates over oem. I could see the Koni's to a point, but less compression dampning and single only adjustability crossed them off my list before they even went into production.
On Tein Basic dampners, their preset dampner valving is the same as a Tein SS coilover set to 8 out of 16 adjustment levels (btw, Tein SS coilovers will be out for these cars soon).
Another thing to consider is that the Basics do offer more spring stiffness over oem. Oem spring rates are 314/342
Tein Basic (HKS Hypermax II use's same spring rates)
Front:504 Rear:504 F+61% R+43%
Transfers +18% to front
Tein Basics offer 60% greater stiffness with dampners that are matched to them. And the vast majority of lowering springs for the car are not truely in the performance realm being progressive so they can work with the oem dampners, which also explains why they offer up about a 23% maximim increase in spring rates over stock rates. koni's for this platform use less compression dampning then oem, not a compromise I care for. They are also single adjustable for rebound (rate of return), so you can't get back the compression dampning Koni took out. The Koni's will have a limitation on how much spring rate you can increase and still work effectively with the rebound turned up. It is most always a lower figure then Koni Quote's as the max poundage. No matter what it is likely that the Koni's offer better valving control then oem on oem springs. But my past experience is, rebound only adjustability does not yield great results when upping spring rates over oem. I could see the Koni's to a point, but less compression dampning and single only adjustability crossed them off my list before they even went into production.
On Tein Basic dampners, their preset dampner valving is the same as a Tein SS coilover set to 8 out of 16 adjustment levels (btw, Tein SS coilovers will be out for these cars soon).
Another thing to consider is that the Basics do offer more spring stiffness over oem. Oem spring rates are 314/342
Tein Basic (HKS Hypermax II use's same spring rates)
Front:504 Rear:504 F+61% R+43%
Transfers +18% to front
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Re: koni or tein
Originally posted by denic79
I just want to get rid of the bounce and it doesn't handle as good as I want it too. What are the best sway bars to go with? I was thinking cusco!
I just want to get rid of the bounce and it doesn't handle as good as I want it too. What are the best sway bars to go with? I was thinking cusco!
Perhaps your tire sizes are contributing to your handling problems. (?) I see you are running a 40mm narrower tire up front than in back. That's a big difference and is surely contributing to understeer... if that's what you are experiencing. The stock 18" rims have a 20mm diff. If you are experiencing understeer, then you might want to consider narrower rear tires or widers front to help even out the difference. A lot of serious track guys have run the same width all the way around and say it's the best option for handling.
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So whats the verdict on the tein basic, is it worth the money and how much of a difference is it. I'm so sick of the bounce, it is absolutly driveing me crazy.
So whats the verdict on the tein basic, is it worth the money and how much of a difference is it. I'm so sick of the bounce, it is absolutly driveing me crazy.
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Ok... On my other car (Lexus IS300) I have the Tein Flex coilover installed. With the softest setting (16f/16r) it was pretty much smooth just like factory. When I changed the dampening to say (2f/2r), the ride stiffened up. I would get crazy bounce, especially on the highway. Now with the Z, It is definetly stiffer in stock form than my IS. So i'm assuming thats the reason for the bounce.
From what i've read, the Tein Comfort Spec will "soften" up the ride dramatically making it smoother. Will this get rid of the bounce or am I just stupid? Obviously you will lose handling for comfort. Decisions...Decisions...
From what i've read, the Tein Comfort Spec will "soften" up the ride dramatically making it smoother. Will this get rid of the bounce or am I just stupid? Obviously you will lose handling for comfort. Decisions...Decisions...
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