^^Ive seen an auto 360whp Procharger run 12.3 @ 113mph, way faster than any Stillen set-up ever on here both e.t. and trap so its 100% believable. Now tell me you trap a weaksauce 105/106mph and Ill laugh at you...

 

I think Stillen stage4 would hang around that time too..but that's just my 0.2cnt....according to Alberto here's the break down for you FI guys

NA > Stillen (stg2) > Greddy TT > ??????

 

107mph, but the Greddy trapped slower still. Don't laugh, if you know the kind of traction we're getting from the sh!tty tracks here you would more likely pity me and cry...

To give you an idea: on the previous track/airstrip (that was taken away from us at the very end of the championship last year, don't ask TOO long a painfull story) I ran 13.17 at 330HP with 19" street tires and full interior inc woofers and box.

On the new track/airstrip/potato field, I ran 13.55 with 367HP same setup.

Last race, with BFG Drag Radials 295 on 18" lightweight rims I was back at 13.17.

Another example: there's a 3TC Corolla drag car here with slicks that would make the motor stall on any track in Puerto Rico. Here it breaks the tires loose and it's time is low 11 secs, down from low 10s on the previous track.

Poor us...

Danny

 

You can think a stage 4 will pull those times all you want, until I see it I wont go around talking it up. And I have no breakdown of the FI kits, its more than just power, traction and driver skill are equally important down the 1/4. And when the fawk did I say NA was better/ahead of a Greddy TT? LMAO th emore I think about what you just said the more I realize you dont have much track experience or general knowledge. If a Stage 3 in a G35/Z traps around 105/106mph do you really think a Stage 4 Stillen (which in some cars dont make power-but thats a diff story) with 20whp or so more in a G/Z is going to pick up 8-9mph down the 1/4? Pass the pipe man

Danny-I realize not all tracks/conditions are created equal, nor are all drivers, but I have seen enough Stillen times to know what they are capable of, and I refuse to think that of all the ones Ive seen that they all suck.

 

Listen. Not to throw fuel on the fire. I have driven cars with every bolt on you can imagine. Before I went with the stillen kit I had all the normal bolt on's as well. I have gone head to head on the street with my buddies who has every bolt on they make. I beat him by two lenghts on the road every time we go at it. Listen for some reason you dont like the stillen kit. Thats fine, but you simply cannot say that a car with bolt on's can beat a stillen stage 3 Z. If you put the same driver in both cars the stillen Z will run faster. The only bolt on that you cannot use on the stillen supercharger is a plenum spacer. So are you saying that if you take a 350z with all the bolt on's you can put on the car and then add the supercharger that the supercharger does nothing? It's not gonna make the same power as a turbo, but it definatley makes more power then an NA. There's no two ways about it.

 

I dont care what you guys feel or think, why cant 1 of the many that believes a Stillen Z will rape an NA Z 10 times out of 10 post some of their numbers up as proof? I think its weird a 300whp Stillen car traps so low, where is the power? Down low and midrange, cuz up top it dies and pulls like a Z with bolt-ons. And I do like the Stillen kit-if you have certain goals, I know a guy who has a sweet G coupe with a Stillen Stage 2, soon to be 3 on it. Its a nice kit I just laugh at the Stillen owners who all say "we can run 12's, we cant lose to NA Z's, we can do this we can do that" and nobody puts up decent numbers and then your going to argue with me that a bolt-on Z cant run with or beat a Stillen car-the proof is in the times.

 

I've never raced a Stillen, was just crying b/c you posted "Now tell me you trap a weaksauce 105/106mph and Ill laugh at you...", while that is all we can do here with these lousy tracks...

IMO, any supercharger (probably even the turbonator, HA!) can out run most -if not all- N/A. Even a measery 5psi would up the HP 25% or 60HP. Kinda hard to do with NA bolt ons...

Then again, It's really hard to compare. Are they uberhaupt any Stillens out there that have just the SC and not additionally some NA mods? Is the comparison between "only mod a Stillen SC" and "all the NA mods you can think off" (and do "bolt ons" include cams ???) ? or between "Stillen Sc + some NA mods" (which ones) and "all NA mods" (including cams) ?

Danny

 

ill have to add to this finally,ive got a stage 3 and i know for a fact that bert would destroy me.its an auto and yes g,s weigh 300 to 400 pounds more.but the truth is last time at the track all i could get was a 13.41 at 103 even though i had very little traction,you could still feel it nose over on the top end.ill even admit it the stillen just dosent have the power up top.it is great around town and for those quick races to about 90 and from a roll,but it isnt really any good for the 1/4.i know i used to have a mid 11 second mustang(1972).that 1/4 run was on stage 2 and i might break into the high 12,s now that i have a bit more traction.but if i wanted it to be a drag star i would have gone single turbo or twins.

 

Danny I wasnt laughing at you man, I 100% understand your track situation. If you trap 107 at your track a Stillen will trap 99mph

 

Alberto I agree with you. If you are setting your car up for the drag strip then stillen is not my choice. And yes there maybe some guys out there running great times with NA's me personally I like to autcross my car. And KNow i am not a professional but I think I am pretty decent. I can tell you that the stillen stage 3 in gerneral is a faster car then any NA z. Especially if the stillen Z has all the bolt on mods that the NA Z has. So I have no proof or timeslip or anything like that. I can just say I know from experience. Now I know that the stillen Z will never ever have the potential that a turbo will but its all about your intentions. I already have a 95 300zxtt and several other I cars so I liked the Stillen since it gave decent power and reliability. When I got it the only turbo's out was the greddy kit. And at the time it was still up in the air how much power the motor could take. It;s been proven over some time that turbos if done right can be safe. Since then more plug and play turbos have come out making it a good option. So I take my hat off to anyone who has gone the forced induction route, we all love our cars and thats all that matters.

 

Thanks man

Here's some pics that really shows you what we're up against (meaning the track):

 

kevin that is very true,when i did mine thats all there was to except the ati which blew the first 4 out of 6 motors.

 

I agree a Stillen Z should be generally faster, down the 1/4 or around a road course (well maybe not with its heat soak) but the problem is Im not seeing it-I mean proof, not owners and a$$ dyno's. I provide proof, I put up NA times, so do others, some Stillen owners also put up numbers (1/4) others post similar experiences that an NA Z can beat a Stillen and you guys eat him up, makes no sense.

Stillen owners ! ---> You want people to stop making fun of your set-ups? Stop launching like a$$ and palsy shifting down the track and run 12's and trap 110mph+, then you'll get respect from NA Z owners and other FI owners, until you do, you will unfortunately be bottom of the FI food chain.

 

ALberto all you are good at is insulting people and treating them as liers, if you were as good in driving as you claim , (and since i do not live close) i challenge you to call STillen themselves and beat any race driver there with your Turbonetics . Anyways this does not erase the fact that any FI will beat any NA and by far not even a close race , it is ridicoulous , to say different means you are claiming that a plenum mod is the same as the Stillen SC. As far as 1/4 mile STillen , would hang on with any turbo that boosts 7psi since it has a much better take off. the paradox here is that this same take off if not controlled properly can play against you because of tremendous tire spin that is why Stillen SC really demands skills when it comes to launching. Soon I will try with Vortech SC.
A Sc with 8psi almost equals the turbo 7psi given equal drivers.
I myself tried many times with very skillful drivers with NA 350z and many other evos, STI with the same results i would stay side by side almost through 1st and partially 2nd because i cannot step on it all the way (Evos can even get a car lenght lead) because of tire spin and after that it is all history, by the time i shift to 5th they are behind by more than 10 cars.

 

danny is that really a track you gotta be kidding.that looks like a homemade track.

 

Actually an abandoned airstrip, all we have here.

Off Road 1/4 mile is great fun though, You make way better time if you can avoid all the holes

Danny

 

I would LOVE to do that and video tape it, but Im not here arguing TN vs any kit especially Stillen. It wouldnt even be a challenge. I dont care who you put in a Stillen Stage 4 car vs my Z as it stands it would get beaten bad. They simply do not pull good trap or put down more than 350whp, the unit is just too small. If you honestly believe a "pro driver" in a Stillen S/C Z will add 10mph to the traps people run and beat ME you are WAY dumber than I though. Maybe Sport Z Mag can set it up, and video tape the a$$ raping I hand out-thanks for making me laugh-Im still waiting for your timeslip its so funny how you just ignore that everytime I bring it up. Again Stillen owners talking smack and nothing to back it up.

 

Ahh...now you got it...JUST BCUZ U'R GETTIN the good time with your N/A doesn't mean $hit when comparing NA vs STillen
BTW...I did the calculation for you base on the video
Stillen stg2 (cost & reliable) vs Greddy TT (cost & reliable)

 

Dr. G, seriously... back your **** up and stop telling people to call Stillen.

I may not know much, but I (and anyone else who is sane) would trust Alberto's opinion 100% over yours.

You are providing some serious entertainment to the members here, so feel free to keep it up. But instead of continually making these ***** *** remarks (i.e. complaining about how Alberto is "insulting" you) why don't you put Alberto in his place by posting some time slips.

Dude, Alberto doesn't NEED to insult you...you're doing a good job of that by yourself...

 

ALberto all you are good at is insulting people and treating them as liers)
and it starts again,drg i have the stillen and i do love it but dude get back to reallity.it will and i repeat will not take on a turboz in the 1/4.on a autox well thats a different story.nobody on this forum or the g35driver forum has gone below 12.9 end of story.