Utec and high hp numbers.
01-16-2007, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 03BrickyardZ
Man... This is a hate festival. On both sides.
I consider myself an automotive enthusiast, and I've heard good things about Both MRC and Forged. I have seen good posts from both sides. I've been to forged's shop and I've seen the quality of work they do.
Can't we all get a long? I mean, both sides agree that the FCON is a better platform right? It certainly has better features. I think the argument is whether the UTEC is acceptable at high boost levels. One side says the FCON is a safer bet, and the other side agrees, except that they are emphatically saying that its not a necessity, to which the other side agrees.
I mean, Alberto is running 580 whp on a UTEC. Sharif was running 600 whp on a UTEC. They just think that at that power level, the FCON is a better bet. I tend to agree with them, because you have more control with the FCON due to the finer resolution, plus the individual cylinder control.
Julian feels that the UTEC is sufficient to do the job at those power levels, even though it does pose tuning challenges and have a few drawbacks (eg warm start issues.)
What the hell are you guys debating? This is the ugliest thread I've ever seen in which the two sides have so little they disagree about.
I consider myself an automotive enthusiast, and I've heard good things about Both MRC and Forged. I have seen good posts from both sides. I've been to forged's shop and I've seen the quality of work they do.
Can't we all get a long? I mean, both sides agree that the FCON is a better platform right? It certainly has better features. I think the argument is whether the UTEC is acceptable at high boost levels. One side says the FCON is a safer bet, and the other side agrees, except that they are emphatically saying that its not a necessity, to which the other side agrees.
I mean, Alberto is running 580 whp on a UTEC. Sharif was running 600 whp on a UTEC. They just think that at that power level, the FCON is a better bet. I tend to agree with them, because you have more control with the FCON due to the finer resolution, plus the individual cylinder control.
Julian feels that the UTEC is sufficient to do the job at those power levels, even though it does pose tuning challenges and have a few drawbacks (eg warm start issues.)
What the hell are you guys debating? This is the ugliest thread I've ever seen in which the two sides have so little they disagree about.
Originally Posted by Gman2004
What do you think only little guys train? Keep thinking the way you do and one day you will run into that big guy and he's going to put in the ECU.
dude...I fight twice a week. Next time you're in H-town...drop me a line. I'll give you a demo of a guy of your choice....you outweigh me by 30lbs...well, now 40 since I dropped weight for next week. Who better to prove your point than yourself.
Not instigating....just a friendly challenge. lol
01-16-2007, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
What do you think only little guys train? Keep thinking the way you do and one day you will run into that big guy and he's going to put in the ECU.
01-16-2007, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
No, but admit it, big guys do tend to underestimate smaller guys at times..This is when you get knocked the Fukc out...
Couldn't have said it better myself.
01-16-2007, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
What do you think only little guys train? Keep thinking the way you do and one day you will run into that big guy and he's going to put in the ECU.
01-16-2007, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Get some G.H.G. Works great!!!Im on it right now, just got back in the Gym after a 3 year off period due to several injuries from 3 different car accidents.Ever since I started the G.H. No mor epain ,and I lost a few lbs already and my strength is comming right back..Best part, Dr.Prescribed, paid for by insurance as part as reahabilitation.
For a minute there I thought you were talking about GHB! That chit was the bomb. I use to buy it at GNC before they made it illegal. Talk about fast muscle recovery and a great fat loss aid with a viagra like side effect!
I wish it was still legal.
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Originally Posted by Alberto
Wow-this thread took a kinda funny turn, people sharing fighting stories/experience and what not, I 100% agree with the big guy usually doesnt equal a good fighter mentality. Sentry-that cage in the bar is crazy, you would never find anything like that out here, most MMA training sites in MD/VA dont even have cages, just a lot of floor space to roll and a ring to throw down. In all honesty looking back at this thread today-it is all pretty dumb. I cant speak for others but I may have taken Julian's comment the wrong way and unfairly posted, or maybe I didnt, regardless I didnt need to get so nasty, so personal. Julian has his moments, I know I have mine-$hit even Sentry has his flare ups(in the S/C vs turbo debate every other `week) but thats how it goes. You get a bunch of prideful car guys anywhere and $hit goes down-like Ozzie mentioned, Ive seen it first hand. Julian's posting sometimes rubs me the wrong way and I know it goes both ways, I'll refrain from the personal crap from now on, it really is a bad thing when we have business owners, adults, people who spend so much $$$ on a car, rivalries forming between shops/customers, arguing like little kids. Disagreements dont have to end in 3 page flame wars-you all know the arguing over the internet saying....For everybody who read the nonsense Im sorry, thats my apology-that goes to Julian as well-take it for what its worth to you. Somebody quote this so Julian can read in case he added me to the ignore list. I'll leave it at that....
I honestly think there was no real debate here. When people are knowlegable, they tend to get defensive of thier ideas. This was a case where both sides are knowledgable. There was no reason for it to get personal.
01-16-2007, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
Wow-this thread took a kinda funny turn, people sharing fighting stories/experience and what not, I 100% agree with the big guy usually doesnt equal a good fighter mentality. Sentry-that cage in the bar is crazy, you would never find anything like that out here, most MMA training sites in MD/VA dont even have cages, just a lot of floor space to roll and a ring to throw down. In all honesty looking back at this thread today-it is all pretty dumb. I cant speak for others but I may have taken Julian's comment the wrong way and unfairly posted, or maybe I didnt, regardless I didnt need to get so nasty, so personal. Julian has his moments, I know I have mine-$hit even Sentry has his flare ups(in the S/C vs turbo debate every other `week) but thats how it goes. You get a bunch of prideful car guys anywhere and $hit goes down-like Ozzie mentioned, Ive seen it first hand. Julian's posting sometimes rubs me the wrong way and I know it goes both ways, I'll refrain from the personal crap from now on, it really is a bad thing when we have business owners, adults, people who spend so much $$$ on a car, rivalries forming between shops/customers, arguing like little kids. Disagreements dont have to end in 3 page flame wars-you all know the arguing over the internet saying....For everybody who read the nonsense Im sorry, thats my apology-that goes to Julian as well-take it for what its worth to you. Somebody quote this so Julian can read in case he added me to the ignore list. I'll leave it at that....
01-16-2007, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
No no no! I am trying to gain weight (muscle) not lose it! I don't have much fat on me, although at my current body fat% of 11-12% I feel like a FAT TURD cause I usually stay at 6% during the spring and summer.
For a minute there I thought you were talking about GHB! That chit was the bomb. I use to buy it at GNC before they made it illegal. Talk about fast muscle recovery and a great fat loss aid with a viagra side effect! I wish it was still legal.
For a minute there I thought you were talking about GHB! That chit was the bomb. I use to buy it at GNC before they made it illegal. Talk about fast muscle recovery and a great fat loss aid with a viagra side effect!
I wish it was still legal.
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01-16-2007, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by maximumsportZ
Wow this thread was entertaining!
BTW, 6'4" 210 here, who wants some???
BTW, 6'4" 210 here, who wants some???
Don't under estimate maxiumsportZ!
01-16-2007, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianLG35C
And bigger head! I think that's what Bonds was on.
Bigger everything....it gives everything in your body more cells. Not fun having intestines grow so much your stomach sticks out so far you can't see your pecker. lol
01-16-2007, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
No no no! I am trying to gain weight (muscle) not lose it! I don't have much fat on me, although at my current body fat% of 11-12% I feel like a FAT TURD cause I usually stay at 6% during the spring and summer.
It's so easy in the winter to let the diet slide, especially up here in the snow belt.
01-16-2007, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianLG35C
I'm in the same boat Jorge. It's so easy in the winter to let the diet slide, especially up here in the snow belt.
It's so easy in the winter to let the diet slide, especially up here in the snow belt.
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
Well my slide was intentional. I've been eating 6000 calories per day of clean food trying to bulk up. I've gained 25lbs since September 1st, of which probably 10lbs is muscle. 4 more weeks of 6000 calories/day and I start cutting calories to drop the extra fat I've gained.
01-16-2007, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
Well my slide was intentional. I've been eating 6000 calories per day of clean food trying to bulk up. I've gained 25lbs since September 1st, of which probably 10lbs is muscle. 4 more weeks of 6000 calories/day and I start cutting calories to drop the extra fat I've gained.