Relentless Autosports - VRT: You be the judge
10-18-2007, 07:54 PM
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Here's a thought.... maybe Rentless gave the customer an INCENTIVE so that he woulnd't come out and bash Rentless in the first place....
Not implying anything... just something to think about, I have seen it before where a Shop ****s up and in return throws the victim a "sponser title"
Not implying anything... just something to think about, I have seen it before where a Shop ****s up and in return throws the victim a "sponser title"
10-18-2007, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by failsafe306
What makes your OEM bolts and gaskets better than every one else's that failed?
I can not speak for others, as I do not know what they do, or do not do. Mark has his little voodoo ways about his building skills, he is the best at his job and it shows
10-18-2007, 07:55 PM
#106
Originally Posted by dc350zl10
Here's a thought.... maybe Rentless gave the customer an INCENTIVE so that he woulnd't come out and bash Rentless in the first place....
Not implying anything... just something to think about, I have seen it before where a Shop ****s up and in return throws the victim a "sponser title"
Not implying anything... just something to think about, I have seen it before where a Shop ****s up and in return throws the victim a "sponser title"
10-18-2007, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Canadian
I don't know, but I always see him trying to call Scott out for crap, such as this thread.
However, from a business standpoint, the invoicing transgressions are inexcusable. Mistakes admitted - learn a lesson and move on? Ok, but what about the part choices - some I suppose could be debated, but who honestly would use OEM spec stuff for 500 whp? Sure it might last a dyno tuning session - but on the track as a time attack car?
Based on what I know of Scott, I would like to believe that he was probably just too busy and didn't pay attention to every detail. Maybe he ok'd parts that would work for a show car for a limited time and saved everybody some money. My feeling is that he probably thought this was a good compromise given the customer's situation. Compound this with the invoicing errors and it casts RA in a poor light.
Based on what I know of Sharif, he is not going to personally attack someone unless he feels that person is doing something unethical. Given all the evidence I don't think anyone can blame him for coming forth with all the evidence. Hiding this kind of thing would eat at my conscience cause I would never really know if someone was being taken advantage of.
This is something Scott, Sharif, and Pete need to work out. Good luck to all parties involved.
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10-18-2007, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
Great questions, BOTH of them. YES to both
And just curious, if this build sheet was for another engine, is that one built with the fictitious parts too?
10-18-2007, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
I can not speak for others, as I do not know what they do, or do not do. Mark has his little voodoo ways about his building skills, he is the best at his job and it shows
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10-18-2007, 07:58 PM
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I agree, they do need to work out the situation and get it sorted out. BUT he does not need to go to the lengths to call them VRT all over again and warning people about getting burned by RA.
Has anyone been "burned" by RA?
Has anyone been "burned" by RA?
10-18-2007, 07:58 PM
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what i dont get is if they knew his HP goals...why use crap OE parts. why not just use some that would stand the beating... that seems like the dumb mistake by the builder..
10-18-2007, 07:58 PM
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like the Nismo conrod bolts that are real? 
lol/
http://www.z1auto.com/prodmore.asp?m...ine&prodid=924
lol/http://www.z1auto.com/prodmore.asp?m...ine&prodid=924
10-18-2007, 07:59 PM
#116
Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
I can not speak for others, as I do not know what they do, or do not do. Mark has his little voodoo ways about his building skills, he is the best at his job and it shows
) Head Studs, Mains studs, and say it will hold up because of Marks "Voodoo" engine building?!Last time I checked there wasn't any magic involved in building an engine, but I guess there is going to have to be for this engine to make a reliable 600rwhp.
Anxious to see the results.
Sam
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10-18-2007, 08:02 PM
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Wow, How high school has this thread got.
Bottom line, everything has been explained and everyone was informed from the beginning.... Mistakes were made, admitted AND RESOLVED...
Everyone feels the need to bash each other to gain some sort of personal enrichment...
Bottom line, everything has been explained and everyone was informed from the beginning.... Mistakes were made, admitted AND RESOLVED...
Everyone feels the need to bash each other to gain some sort of personal enrichment...
10-18-2007, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Nforce1
Wow, How high school has this thread got.
Bottom line, everything has been explained and everyone was informed from the beginning.... Mistakes were made, admitted AND RESOLVED...
Everyone feels the need to bash each other to gain some sort of personal enrichment...
Bottom line, everything has been explained and everyone was informed from the beginning.... Mistakes were made, admitted AND RESOLVED...
Everyone feels the need to bash each other to gain some sort of personal enrichment...
wrong we wont to find out the reasoning for the unrealistic build.....
10-18-2007, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rcdash
what about the part choices - some I suppose could be debated, but who honestly would use OEM spec stuff for 500 whp? Sure it might last a dyno tuning session - but on the track as a time attack car?
10-18-2007, 08:07 PM
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if everything was discussed, and the customer did not pay extra for the items, then no harm done.
i do not mean to step on toes, and hope this does not come across that way, cause i have worked with both sharif (over the phone) and scott and respect both of you guys. but the first question is for sharif. when the motor was in the state it was in from the pics, it would have been easy to swap out the bolts, maybe an hour or 2, rather than a potential problem down the road where it could cost the customer 3-4 times the amount or more. i understand the fact of not wanting to get involved with that portion, but in the end it may of been a good descision to benefit the customer down the road.
2nd is for scott. why did you guys not install the upgraded bolts and abit more for hks gaskets? if the customer was not charged for these fine, but i have seen these parts not last on my own motor at about those power levels. i know you have done alot of racing on these motors and possibly more than nearly anyone else, so hopefully you are correct on this one.
again, not trying to put you guys on the spot or **** ya off, but the whole pointing fingers in everyone elses direction and forgetting about the customer and his expectations of the final product he is paying for is BS. the forums have started to become a finger pointing war.
i do not mean to step on toes, and hope this does not come across that way, cause i have worked with both sharif (over the phone) and scott and respect both of you guys. but the first question is for sharif. when the motor was in the state it was in from the pics, it would have been easy to swap out the bolts, maybe an hour or 2, rather than a potential problem down the road where it could cost the customer 3-4 times the amount or more. i understand the fact of not wanting to get involved with that portion, but in the end it may of been a good descision to benefit the customer down the road.
2nd is for scott. why did you guys not install the upgraded bolts and abit more for hks gaskets? if the customer was not charged for these fine, but i have seen these parts not last on my own motor at about those power levels. i know you have done alot of racing on these motors and possibly more than nearly anyone else, so hopefully you are correct on this one.
again, not trying to put you guys on the spot or **** ya off, but the whole pointing fingers in everyone elses direction and forgetting about the customer and his expectations of the final product he is paying for is BS. the forums have started to become a finger pointing war.