Si TRIM VORTECH.
Originally Posted by booger
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Once I took care of the issues I had, the setup just works.
I don't have belt slip, I get enough fuel and fuel pressure, I have a reliable tune/EMS, etc
Originally Posted by sentry65
yeah just getting into the sweet spot of a setup with a combination of mods is the trick. Once there, it's smooth sailing
everyone throws on a bunch of parts and hopes they all work right and work together well. It can get complex sometimes with how many aftermarket parts are on the car. Ironing out the bugs is all I'm talking about
Originally Posted by sentry65
everyone throws on a bunch of parts and hopes they all work right and work together well. It can get complex sometimes with how many aftermarket parts are on the car. Ironing out the bugs is all I'm talking about
Originally Posted by sentry65
well it has been for me.
Once I took care of the issues I had, the setup just works.
I don't have belt slip, I get enough fuel and fuel pressure, I have a reliable tune/EMS, etc
Once I took care of the issues I had, the setup just works.
I don't have belt slip, I get enough fuel and fuel pressure, I have a reliable tune/EMS, etc
You're right, my fuel system shouldn't have had issues, but it did.
My belt shouldn't have been slipping, but it was.
11psi isn't very high and I'm glad. It was 12psi before I swapped out my crawford cats and nismo exhaust for AAM cats and APS exhaust with X-pipe. IMO I wouldn't want 13+psi on my stock block engine. Maybe I'm just too conservative
yeah I'm not pushing anything on my setup except my whp. I try to make sure I'm not bringing anything close to the point of failure. I'd rather overcompensate than under compensate on the parts that keep things reliable. IMO the stock block can be perfectly reliable for a good long time and I intend to go that route since even built engines can have issues
What I meant by "sweet spot" is a setup that works, not something that breaks down every 2 days or has some issues that prevents you from driving or driving hard
If these guys end up not being able to keep their belts on the pulleys and/or can't get the air temps under control to make the higher psi worth it, then they haven't reached their "sweet spot" where their setup works well
My belt shouldn't have been slipping, but it was.
11psi isn't very high and I'm glad. It was 12psi before I swapped out my crawford cats and nismo exhaust for AAM cats and APS exhaust with X-pipe. IMO I wouldn't want 13+psi on my stock block engine. Maybe I'm just too conservative
yeah I'm not pushing anything on my setup except my whp. I try to make sure I'm not bringing anything close to the point of failure. I'd rather overcompensate than under compensate on the parts that keep things reliable. IMO the stock block can be perfectly reliable for a good long time and I intend to go that route since even built engines can have issues
What I meant by "sweet spot" is a setup that works, not something that breaks down every 2 days or has some issues that prevents you from driving or driving hard
If these guys end up not being able to keep their belts on the pulleys and/or can't get the air temps under control to make the higher psi worth it, then they haven't reached their "sweet spot" where their setup works well
Last edited by sentry65; Feb 11, 2008 at 01:26 PM.
Originally Posted by sentry65
You're right, my fuel system shouldn't have had issues, but it did.
My belt shouldn't have been slipping, but it was.
11psi isn't very high, but it was 12psi before I swapped out my crawford cats and nismo exhaust for AAM cats and APS exhaust with X-pipe
and yeah I'm not pushing anything on my setup except my whp. I try to make damn sure I'm not bringing anything close to the point of failure. I'd rather overcompensate than under compensate on the parts that keep things reliable.
What I meant by "sweet spot" is a setup that works, not something that breaks down every 2 days or has some issues that prevents you from driving or driving hard
If these guys end up not being able to keep their belts on the pulleys and/or can't get the air temps under control to make the higher psi worth it, then they haven't reached their "sweet spot" where their setup works well
My belt shouldn't have been slipping, but it was.
11psi isn't very high, but it was 12psi before I swapped out my crawford cats and nismo exhaust for AAM cats and APS exhaust with X-pipe
and yeah I'm not pushing anything on my setup except my whp. I try to make damn sure I'm not bringing anything close to the point of failure. I'd rather overcompensate than under compensate on the parts that keep things reliable.
What I meant by "sweet spot" is a setup that works, not something that breaks down every 2 days or has some issues that prevents you from driving or driving hard
If these guys end up not being able to keep their belts on the pulleys and/or can't get the air temps under control to make the higher psi worth it, then they haven't reached their "sweet spot" where their setup works well
There are a few 1/4 mile tracks around your town . Take it to one of them and run your car hard . Then we will see how hard you are pushing the whp . Like Jeremy Tibb's said.....TRAP SPEEDS DONT LIE !!!!!!!!
someday I might when I run my friend for fun when he fixes up his 240Z, but why do I need to prove myself to you?
What do you know about the tracks around me? Do you know how they compare to other tracks around the country?
besides, I don't see you running any 1/4 mile times with your T-trim cog setup either...
I've posted dynojet and dynodynamics dynos on this site.
You've posted a low res hard to read mustang dyno like 2 years ago, but nothing recent with your T-trim or cog setup
What do you know about the tracks around me? Do you know how they compare to other tracks around the country?
besides, I don't see you running any 1/4 mile times with your T-trim cog setup either...
I've posted dynojet and dynodynamics dynos on this site.
You've posted a low res hard to read mustang dyno like 2 years ago, but nothing recent with your T-trim or cog setup
Last edited by sentry65; Feb 11, 2008 at 01:39 PM.
Originally Posted by sentry65
someday I might when I run my friend for fun when he fixes up his 240Z, but why do I need to prove myself to you?
BUt you keep expecting us to believe you have 477whp with 11psi . Take it to the track and prove you have it . A dyno queen dyno sheet doesnt mean squat . Any one of us could put the car on the dyno . put in C16 race gas and add a bunch of timing for a few runs and get a huge number . But never run that same set up HARD on the street or the track because it wouldnt last long on a stock motor . Someone that ran a T-trim that SAM tuned proved that...didnt they ?
Originally Posted by sentry65
someday I might when I run my friend for fun when he fixes up his 240Z, but why do I need to prove myself to you?
What do you know about the tracks around me? Do you know how they compare to other tracks around the country?
besides, I don't see you running any 1/4 mile times with your T-trim cog setup either...
I've posted dynojet and dynodynamics dynos on this site.
You've posted a low res hard to read mustang dyno like 2 years ago, but nothing recent with your T-trim or cog setup
What do you know about the tracks around me? Do you know how they compare to other tracks around the country?
besides, I don't see you running any 1/4 mile times with your T-trim cog setup either...
I've posted dynojet and dynodynamics dynos on this site.
You've posted a low res hard to read mustang dyno like 2 years ago, but nothing recent with your T-trim or cog setup
Originally Posted by booger
Take it to the track and prove you have it.
Originally Posted by booger
A dyno queen dyno sheet doesnt mean squat . Any one of us could put the car on the dyno . put in C16 race gas and add a bunch of timing for a few runs and get a huge number.
Do you really think I was running C16 gas with my $600 cats with the labor I spent having A/F bungs welded in them?
Sam already pushed my timing as far as it could go to the point that I was losing power if he added any more. I was running 96 octane and water/meth when he did that tune.
C16 wouldn't benefit me much since I wasn't detonating.
I guess my word and Sam's word aren't good enough...
Originally Posted by booger
But never run that same set up HARD on the street or the track because it wouldnt last long on a stock motor . Someone that ran a T-trim that SAM tuned proved that...didnt they ?
My car is mostly driven on the street as it turns out. Why does it need to be "proven" at the track?
tracking is so expensive. I'd kinda rather spend the money on other things than to get respect or whatever from people over the internet
Last edited by sentry65; Feb 11, 2008 at 01:56 PM.
Originally Posted by sentry65
how does this benefit me?
what are you saying?
Do you think I was running C16 gas with my $600 cats with the labor I spent having A/F bungs welded in them?
Sam already pushed my timing as far as it could go to the point that I was losing power if he added any more. I was running 96 octane and water/meth when he did that tune
guess my word and Sam's isn't good enough for you, that's fine. I don't care
I will track the car someday on a road course, but I won't go about doing it the same way Diesel350 did without water/meth injection and I won't use my aggressive map.
I consider road course work kinda like jogging and 1/4 mile racing more like running. My aggressive map is for when it's cooler weather or if I did run at the drag strip. In the summer or on a road course, it's going to be my lower power map
My car is mostly driven on the street as it turns out. Why does it need to be "proven" at the track?
tracking is so expensive. I'd kinda rather spend the money on other things
what are you saying?
Do you think I was running C16 gas with my $600 cats with the labor I spent having A/F bungs welded in them?
Sam already pushed my timing as far as it could go to the point that I was losing power if he added any more. I was running 96 octane and water/meth when he did that tune
guess my word and Sam's isn't good enough for you, that's fine. I don't care
I will track the car someday on a road course, but I won't go about doing it the same way Diesel350 did without water/meth injection and I won't use my aggressive map.
I consider road course work kinda like jogging and 1/4 mile racing more like running. My aggressive map is for when it's cooler weather or if I did run at the drag strip. In the summer or on a road course, it's going to be my lower power map
My car is mostly driven on the street as it turns out. Why does it need to be "proven" at the track?
tracking is so expensive. I'd kinda rather spend the money on other things
Putting your car on a 1/4 mile doesnt cost squat and it proves your whp.....and as you say ' someday ' it will never come . TRAP SPEEDS DONT LIE !!!!!
Originally Posted by booger
Putting your car on a 1/4 mile doesnt cost squat and it proves your whp.....and as you say ' someday ' it will never come . TRAP SPEEDS DONT LIE !!!!!
no the drag strip doesn't cost all that much
I have a reasonable idea of the ballpark I'd trap at based on the other vortech trap speeds listed on this site.
That's about as much as I care about the drag strip.
but a road course isn't cheap where the entry fee is around $150 a day, then there's the race gas you'll use throughout the day doing laps, then tire and brake wear, changing clutch and brake fluid, engine oil, etc and yes, the possibility (as always) that I might blow the engine.
I used to take my NA modded Z on road courses - I know how expensive it was even for being NA...FI would be even worse. I'd honestly just rather pay $400-500 at Bondurant Racing School and drive one of their Z06's around the track all day with their track insurance knowing at the end of the day I can just walk away from it all while my Z is still in perfect running condition with nothing needing to be replaced, fixed, or adjusted
I built my car for me to have fun driving it, not to prove anything on a forum
If "someday" never did come, so what?
Even you said I don't need to prove myself to you
So why is it I need to get to the drag strip to "prove" my whp to you?
edit:
sorry for the off topic
as always, booger and I can't occupy the same thread...
Last edited by sentry65; Feb 11, 2008 at 02:24 PM.
Originally Posted by booger
As others have said.....Sam seems to only tune late at night after hours . I dont think its because his Mech.'s dont like the noise . Loud exhaust's comes with working at a performance shop and to expected .
Originally Posted by sentry65
this is sounding like a broken record
no the drag strip doesn't cost all that much
I have a reasonable idea of the ballpark I'd trap at based on the other vortech trap speeds listed on this site.
That's about as much as I care about the drag strip.
but a road course isn't cheap where the entry fee is around $150 a day, then there's the race gas you'll use throughout the day doing laps, then tire and brake wear, changing clutch and brake fluid, engine oil, etc and yes, the possibility (as always) that I might blow the engine.
I used to take my NA modded Z on road courses - I know how expensive it was even for being NA...FI would be even worse. I'd honestly just rather pay $400-500 at Bondurant Racing School and drive one of their Z06's around the track all day with their track insurance knowing at the end of the day I can just walk away from it all while my Z is still in perfect running condition with nothing needing to be replaced, fixed, or adjusted
I built my car for me to have fun driving it, not to prove anything on a forum
If "someday" never did come, so what?
Even you said I don't need to prove myself to you
So why is it I need to get to the drag strip to "prove" my whp to you?
edit:
sorry for the off topic
as always, booger and I can't occupy the same thread...
no the drag strip doesn't cost all that much
I have a reasonable idea of the ballpark I'd trap at based on the other vortech trap speeds listed on this site.
That's about as much as I care about the drag strip.
but a road course isn't cheap where the entry fee is around $150 a day, then there's the race gas you'll use throughout the day doing laps, then tire and brake wear, changing clutch and brake fluid, engine oil, etc and yes, the possibility (as always) that I might blow the engine.
I used to take my NA modded Z on road courses - I know how expensive it was even for being NA...FI would be even worse. I'd honestly just rather pay $400-500 at Bondurant Racing School and drive one of their Z06's around the track all day with their track insurance knowing at the end of the day I can just walk away from it all while my Z is still in perfect running condition with nothing needing to be replaced, fixed, or adjusted
I built my car for me to have fun driving it, not to prove anything on a forum
If "someday" never did come, so what?
Even you said I don't need to prove myself to you
So why is it I need to get to the drag strip to "prove" my whp to you?
edit:
sorry for the off topic
as always, booger and I can't occupy the same thread...
No one really cares what it cost to run a day at a road course . And a road course proves nothing other than if you are a good road course driver . A 1/4 mile proves your cars whp .
And yes...SORRY for getting off topic ! I think it started with
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which had nothing to do with a SI trim or getting it to work
Originally Posted by booger
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which had nothing to do with a SI trim or getting it to work
which had nothing to do with a SI trim or getting it to work
I was trying to encourage him that even though it's tough now, once he's over the hump and gets everything working right, things will get easier since he sounded a little discouraged and mentioned going TT
IMO, the arguing started when you said:
Originally Posted by booger
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apparently you have this need to laugh at everything I say
Read the new FI rules please...
https://my350z.com/forum/forced-induction/309144-fi-forum-conduct-it-s-best-that-you-all-read-this-updated.html
Originally Posted by Wired 24/7
Classically, and even more-so lately, this forum has been full of hot-headed debates, name calling, bashing, and playing the victim.
Constantly, underhanded comments meant to rile up certain individuals are posted, and there have been far too many uncivilized comments posted on behalf of many members and sponsors. Not to mention there has been an epidemic of "calling out" certain individuals.
Constantly, underhanded comments meant to rile up certain individuals are posted, and there have been far too many uncivilized comments posted on behalf of many members and sponsors. Not to mention there has been an epidemic of "calling out" certain individuals.
either way Booger, we've each said our piece, took up a whole page worth of posts, and so we really should just stop talking to each other in this thread...
Last edited by sentry65; Feb 11, 2008 at 03:51 PM.