SGP Racing a Scammer?
02-28-2009, 11:33 AM
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If anyone wants to spend $100k and get nothing, I'll take your money and just be honest about it. I'll send you pics of the house I'll buy with it and my vacation through Europe.
This is not an offer from Uprev, but from me, Richard, personally.
This is not an offer from Uprev, but from me, Richard, personally.
02-28-2009, 01:33 PM
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While you are there. Ask Mark When Jason can get his Money back! Since he wont answer my calls! Let us know if there is any work being done on cars today. If he doesnt pay me, I will picket in front of his shop! And call the T.V. station and radio and anyone else I can think of to get it covered!
03-02-2009, 01:09 PM
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Thanks to UpRev, I've just been advised of another company, Import Performance Trans (IPT), that offers a fully built 5AT package including cryo treated gears.
http://importperformancetrans.com/nissanre5.shtml
I now wish I had sent my trans to them in the first place.
http://importperformancetrans.com/nissanre5.shtml
I now wish I had sent my trans to them in the first place.
03-02-2009, 02:54 PM
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Interesting. After reading their info I'm wondering what packs, GTM, SFR, and SGP use in their trannies and how they all compare. Sadly this is not something that has been in depth reviewed anywhere.
03-02-2009, 03:56 PM
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Thanks to UpRev, I've just been advised of another company, Import Performance Trans (IPT), that offers a fully built 5AT package including cryo treated gears.
http://importperformancetrans.com/nissanre5.shtml
I now wish I had sent my trans to them in the first place.
http://importperformancetrans.com/nissanre5.shtml
I now wish I had sent my trans to them in the first place.
They are actually 5-10 minutes from job
03-02-2009, 04:35 PM
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They have a kit specifically for the Z/G
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03-02-2009, 05:01 PM
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Thanks to UpRev, I've just been advised of another company, Import Performance Trans (IPT), that offers a fully built 5AT package including cryo treated gears.
http://importperformancetrans.com/nissanre5.shtml
I now wish I had sent my trans to them in the first place.
http://importperformancetrans.com/nissanre5.shtml
I now wish I had sent my trans to them in the first place.
Always good to have choices, esp. with SGP not a likely candidate for future builds.
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03-02-2009, 05:12 PM
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) are both using Alto for their rebuilds. I think it all comes down to the ancillary stuff and the builder to implement it correctly. If you've got a good guy locally then consider it otherwise I'd go with a shop that has done more than 1 before... The Alto upgrade won't include some of the things listed on the IPT site for example - like remachining for enhanced cooling and upgrading the pump for increased flow. I know Sam verbally mentioned some machine work for cooling, but I honestly don't know the details or I would share them. Maybe Sam will chime in with details if he reads this...
03-02-2009, 05:13 PM
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Thanks to UpRev, I've just been advised of another company, Import Performance Trans (IPT), that offers a fully built 5AT package including cryo treated gears.
http://importperformancetrans.com/nissanre5.shtml
I now wish I had sent my trans to them in the first place.
http://importperformancetrans.com/nissanre5.shtml
I now wish I had sent my trans to them in the first place.
- Valve bodies are fully modified and calibrated to provide quick, positive shifts
- Additional High-Energy Input Clutches and IPT laser cut, surface treated 1008 steel plates are installed, yielding an over 33% increase in capacity
- Additional High-Energy High/Low/Reverse Clutches and IPT laser cut, surface treated 1008 steel plates are installed, yielding an over 40% increase in capacity
- Additional High-Energy Direct Clutches and IPT laser cut, surface treated 1008 steel plates are installed, yielding an over 40% increase in capacity
- Lube system is redesigned to prevent geartrain failure and to increase lube flow
- Heavy Duty High/Low/Reverse Snap Ring Installed
- Pump is modified to provide increased pressure and volume
- Planetaries and mating sun and ring gears are cryogenically treated
- Splines are heat treated to prevent stripping
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03-02-2009, 07:06 PM
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Thanks to UpRev, I've just been advised of another company, Import Performance Trans (IPT), that offers a fully built 5AT package including cryo treated gears.
http://importperformancetrans.com/nissanre5.shtml
I now wish I had sent my trans to them in the first place.
http://importperformancetrans.com/nissanre5.shtml
I now wish I had sent my trans to them in the first place.
Tranny rebuild parts are fairly generic, it's hard to be a rebuild shop that has specific clutch packs built. So most companies are probably using one manufacturers upgraded parts, or they cross reference the clutch packs used in another application.
The specific things like Pumps, Cryo Treating, Machined Ports are something one person figured out and now everyone copies.
The big deal when it comes to tranny builds is making sure you're dealing with someone reputable and someone that has broken other peoples cars enough to know what works and what doesn't. Sadly when it comes to the Nissan Auto transmissions there isn't enough knowledge out there for people to figure this all out on their own, so most rebuilders are just going to be buying another persons kit and putting their names on it. This is not like the domestic market for transmissions.
That said.
Our customers have used the GTM built transmissions and the IPT built transmissions with good success. Generally a good shop will tell you that they are installing XYZ transmission rather than their own home brew transmission, unless ofcourse they are doing the tear down and rebuild, and they are buying the clutch packs etc directly from the manufacturer. I know that GTM and IPT both are buying parts direct, and are doing the rebuilds in house.
Neither GTM nor IPT actually cut their own clutch packs, nor do they braze the fins in the torque converter. That sort of manufacturing requires hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of very specific machinery, the kind of scale no average performance shop will contain. Economy of scale is in play on those parts. They both have their own specifications on those parts and buy them direct from their manufacturers. It is possible they are both sourcing from the same place, that I'm not sure of. But I do know they don't charge you for upgraded parts and then leave stock parts in there hoping that you never check, and it seems around here that is a big plus. Who knew you guys would be so picky.
03-02-2009, 07:23 PM
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AFAIK.
Tranny rebuild parts are fairly generic, it's hard to be a rebuild shop that has specific clutch packs built. So most companies are probably using one manufacturers upgraded parts, or they cross reference the clutch packs used in another application.
The specific things like Pumps, Cryo Treating, Machined Ports are something one person figured out and now everyone copies.
The big deal when it comes to tranny builds is making sure you're dealing with someone reputable and someone that has broken other peoples cars enough to know what works and what doesn't. Sadly when it comes to the Nissan Auto transmissions there isn't enough knowledge out there for people to figure this all out on their own, so most rebuilders are just going to be buying another persons kit and putting their names on it. This is not like the domestic market for transmissions.
That said.
Our customers have used the GTM built transmissions and the IPT built transmissions with good success. Generally a good shop will tell you that they are installing XYZ transmission rather than their own home brew transmission, unless ofcourse they are doing the tear down and rebuild, and they are buying the clutch packs etc directly from the manufacturer. I know that GTM and IPT both are buying parts direct, and are doing the rebuilds in house.
Neither GTM nor IPT actually cut their own clutch packs, nor do they braze the fins in the torque converter. That sort of manufacturing requires hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of very specific machinery, the kind of scale no average performance shop will contain. Economy of scale is in play on those parts. They both have their own specifications on those parts and buy them direct from their manufacturers. It is possible they are both sourcing from the same place, that I'm not sure of. But I do know they don't charge you for upgraded parts and then leave stock parts in there hoping that you never check, and it seems around here that is a big plus. Who knew you guys would be so picky.
Tranny rebuild parts are fairly generic, it's hard to be a rebuild shop that has specific clutch packs built. So most companies are probably using one manufacturers upgraded parts, or they cross reference the clutch packs used in another application.
The specific things like Pumps, Cryo Treating, Machined Ports are something one person figured out and now everyone copies.
The big deal when it comes to tranny builds is making sure you're dealing with someone reputable and someone that has broken other peoples cars enough to know what works and what doesn't. Sadly when it comes to the Nissan Auto transmissions there isn't enough knowledge out there for people to figure this all out on their own, so most rebuilders are just going to be buying another persons kit and putting their names on it. This is not like the domestic market for transmissions.
That said.
Our customers have used the GTM built transmissions and the IPT built transmissions with good success. Generally a good shop will tell you that they are installing XYZ transmission rather than their own home brew transmission, unless ofcourse they are doing the tear down and rebuild, and they are buying the clutch packs etc directly from the manufacturer. I know that GTM and IPT both are buying parts direct, and are doing the rebuilds in house.
Neither GTM nor IPT actually cut their own clutch packs, nor do they braze the fins in the torque converter. That sort of manufacturing requires hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of very specific machinery, the kind of scale no average performance shop will contain. Economy of scale is in play on those parts. They both have their own specifications on those parts and buy them direct from their manufacturers. It is possible they are both sourcing from the same place, that I'm not sure of. But I do know they don't charge you for upgraded parts and then leave stock parts in there hoping that you never check, and it seems around here that is a big plus. Who knew you guys would be so picky.
I feel very good about Chris, who is rebuilding my transmission, because of his experience with these transmissions as a Nissan Master Tech. I'll keep everyone posted on the progress and the final results.
Next time I'll ask some more specific questions, like, "will you actually do the work I'm paying you to do?" That could have helped a ton with my transmission.
