Independent Crawford Plenum Review & Dyno
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Originally posted by 12SecZ
agreed ok you have regained a Konvert.
How about a JIC STB then?
Anything?
J/K,
Hey I want in on this 5k action!
agreed ok you have regained a Konvert.
How about a JIC STB then?
Anything?
J/K,
Hey I want in on this 5k action!
Originally posted by daytona350z
ok...whatever
if you want to really race, come down here, and i have a 240sx, and according to my sig i have no mods....sound ok?
we can do 1/4mi, slalom, 0-130-0...sound good? all for 5k?
gosh, seems like you think your car is just supposed to be praised by us, i did enjoy your rx-7 kill, but calm down. o yea, i could use another 5k, my s13 needs a nice paintjob
ok...whatever
if you want to really race, come down here, and i have a 240sx, and according to my sig i have no mods....sound ok?
we can do 1/4mi, slalom, 0-130-0...sound good? all for 5k?
gosh, seems like you think your car is just supposed to be praised by us, i did enjoy your rx-7 kill, but calm down. o yea, i could use another 5k, my s13 needs a nice paintjob
HFM has yet to make an intelligent post on this forum...period.
I just asked him if he wanted to race since the plenum offers no real HP gains according to him. It really is that simple.
Originally posted by KJY9

Hmm I'm having a tough time finding an answer in there???
I'm going to assume that you're all mouth and no-go...which is too bad cause I could use another 5k to throw at my ride
BTW...talk about yet another childish post...you crack me up
Is everyone retarded on here or just 16 yrs old?!?
HFM has yet to make an intelligent post on this forum...period.
I just asked him if he wanted to race since the plenum offers no real HP gains according to him. It really is that simple.
Hmm I'm having a tough time finding an answer in there???
I'm going to assume that you're all mouth and no-go...which is too bad cause I could use another 5k to throw at my ride

BTW...talk about yet another childish post...you crack me up
Is everyone retarded on here or just 16 yrs old?!?
HFM has yet to make an intelligent post on this forum...period.
I just asked him if he wanted to race since the plenum offers no real HP gains according to him. It really is that simple.
Tell you what, I can hear the gears grinding upstairs while you're trying to figure out what I said. Here, let me spell it out.
http://www.fanta.dk/showmovie.asp?mi...0-479354A04787
Originally posted by 12SecZ
HFM hasn't raced anyone since that Big Wheeel in 1972 and he lost to a tryke and never got over it thus this thread
HFM hasn't raced anyone since that Big Wheeel in 1972 and he lost to a tryke and never got over it thus this thread
Damn, those Big Wheels rocked man!
Originally posted by hfm
You like to spread your insults everywhere. Why don't you have a strike yet?
Tell you what, I can hear the gears grinding upstairs while you're trying to figure out what I said. Here, let me spell it out.
http://www.fanta.dk/showmovie.asp?mi...0-479354A04787
You like to spread your insults everywhere. Why don't you have a strike yet?
Tell you what, I can hear the gears grinding upstairs while you're trying to figure out what I said. Here, let me spell it out.
http://www.fanta.dk/showmovie.asp?mi...0-479354A04787
You are just too funny.
I just edited the Big Wheel race out because I didn't want to offend you oops, then your post came in with it lol.
I am glad you have humor man... without it you are truly lost on the Internet.
Peas!
I am glad you have humor man... without it you are truly lost on the Internet.
Peas!
Originally posted by rodH
this thread is getting lame
this thread is getting lame
He really is smarter than he sounds.
Anyways, I'm done.
Originally posted by KJY9
Is everyone retarded on here or just 16 yrs old?!?
HFM has yet to make an intelligent post on this forum...period.
I just asked him if he wanted to race since the plenum offers no real HP gains according to him. It really is that simple.
Is everyone retarded on here or just 16 yrs old?!?
HFM has yet to make an intelligent post on this forum...period.
I just asked him if he wanted to race since the plenum offers no real HP gains according to him. It really is that simple.
and my dad did not pay for my Z.
I have to ask HFM, why could you not use your own car? I know I would not have given up the opportunity to receive a free product to test on my own car. Unfortunately around here the only Dynos are engine Dynos and not chassis Dynos, so no luck for me as I doubt anyone would be willing to send me a product knowing that. I just have to wait for the local track to thaw and the 4 feet of snow to melt away before I can see what my latest mods did for me in the 1/4.
HFM, seriously, you have been asking for independent dyno numbers on a Crawford Plenum on a stock car for a long time and even started your own thread on the topic willing to pay someone money. Is that not excessive? I can't remember anyone else on this forum more dramatic about this than yourself. I simply can't understand your intentions and wish you would have declined the free product if you knew you could not even answer your own post.
For those of you trying to decide on a plenum as a mod worth your money, the results posted in this thread do not paint the plenum as a worthless mod, they only restate the point that has always been shown on a heavier modified car that the plenum still increases the power on top to redline. On a stock car the plenum still does its thing on top but there are also some benefits seen a little lower down the RPM range which increases peak HP. This is again shown with 350zdanny's results. The added power closer to redline is truly well worth it. This allows shifts at higher rpms, which translates into a higher rpm after shifting into the next gear. This puts you at a better point in the overall HP curve after shifting, meaning faster overall acceleration. Now couple that with some mods that improve the mid rpm range and you will find out quickly that wider stickier tires are needed to keep traction. Also the fact that equal Air and Fuel mixtures get to all cylinders is only a good thing for the engine. Even if no power was to be had anywhere in the curve that piece of mind is very important as future mods are done and tuning is being performed. This mod, whether Crawford and possibly Kinetix after some further testing, is still one of the first mods I would recommend anyone to purchase if not the first for their stock cars.
HFM, seriously, you have been asking for independent dyno numbers on a Crawford Plenum on a stock car for a long time and even started your own thread on the topic willing to pay someone money. Is that not excessive? I can't remember anyone else on this forum more dramatic about this than yourself. I simply can't understand your intentions and wish you would have declined the free product if you knew you could not even answer your own post.
For those of you trying to decide on a plenum as a mod worth your money, the results posted in this thread do not paint the plenum as a worthless mod, they only restate the point that has always been shown on a heavier modified car that the plenum still increases the power on top to redline. On a stock car the plenum still does its thing on top but there are also some benefits seen a little lower down the RPM range which increases peak HP. This is again shown with 350zdanny's results. The added power closer to redline is truly well worth it. This allows shifts at higher rpms, which translates into a higher rpm after shifting into the next gear. This puts you at a better point in the overall HP curve after shifting, meaning faster overall acceleration. Now couple that with some mods that improve the mid rpm range and you will find out quickly that wider stickier tires are needed to keep traction. Also the fact that equal Air and Fuel mixtures get to all cylinders is only a good thing for the engine. Even if no power was to be had anywhere in the curve that piece of mind is very important as future mods are done and tuning is being performed. This mod, whether Crawford and possibly Kinetix after some further testing, is still one of the first mods I would recommend anyone to purchase if not the first for their stock cars.
Originally posted by hfm
I was really hoping not to get into this with you. Last time I had something to say to you, it wasn't totally nice and I ended up having to apologize. This time around, no apologies.
I was really hoping not to get into this with you. Last time I had something to say to you, it wasn't totally nice and I ended up having to apologize. This time around, no apologies.
Originally posted by hfm
You want to spend the money, do it. Do something about it instead of sitting in front of that keyboard and monitor or, frankly, shut the hell up.
You want to spend the money, do it. Do something about it instead of sitting in front of that keyboard and monitor or, frankly, shut the hell up.
1) I'm simply holding you to your original rant... yes rant. You jumped in every thread.. even starting your own thread and disallowed everyone else because it didn't hold up to YOUR standards. Well when you had a chance for your own standards, did you carry through? No. I don't see how your testing is any better or worse then every other plenum dyno posted to date. How YOURS is better then any other to date is certainly not to seen.
2) I'm sure if more people had access to a free plenum, sure there would be more independant comparisons. But do I have access? No. Do I plan on buying a plenum any time soon? No.
Lets remember WHY you do have access to a free plenum.. because you had something up your butt about it and I'm sure Adam and friends simply wanted to stand behind the product in face of someone who was just bent on not believing anyone but themself.
I find it incredibly ironic that you hold the 6.5hp gain of the popcharger like gospel, yet how many 'independant' dynos are there to back that up? You've seen one or two and its gospel? What about all the people that saw little or no gain? Maybe.. just maybe.. your plenum testing could fall under the same situation. Not fact.. just a thought.
We had the JWT Popcharger for over a year.. and no one thought much of it.. all of a sudden in the last 3-4 months everyone thinks its God or something and is PROVEN 6.5hp.
Please.. this whole place is driven by mob mentality.
Originally posted by flynnibus
We had the JWT Popcharger for over a year.. and no one thought much of it.. all of a sudden in the last 3-4 months everyone thinks its God or something and is PROVEN 6.5hp.
Please.. this whole place is driven by mob mentality.
We had the JWT Popcharger for over a year.. and no one thought much of it.. all of a sudden in the last 3-4 months everyone thinks its God or something and is PROVEN 6.5hp.
Please.. this whole place is driven by mob mentality.
Originally posted by hybrid24
Sorry for the long post. Just had to vent. My thanks to HFM and his crew for posting this. I hope this thread doesn't turn off other people from posting their experiences/dynos/opinions in the future.
Sorry for the long post. Just had to vent. My thanks to HFM and his crew for posting this. I hope this thread doesn't turn off other people from posting their experiences/dynos/opinions in the future.
Originally posted by KJY9
Now there's the smartest thing you've said to date.
Now there's the smartest thing you've said to date.
Thank you.
Originally posted by zzzya
For those of you trying to decide on a plenum as a mod worth your money, the results posted in this thread do not paint the plenum as a worthless mod, they only restate the point that has always been shown on a heavier modified car that the plenum still increases the power on top to redline. On a stock car the plenum still does its thing on top but there are also some benefits seen a little lower down the RPM range which increases peak HP.
For those of you trying to decide on a plenum as a mod worth your money, the results posted in this thread do not paint the plenum as a worthless mod, they only restate the point that has always been shown on a heavier modified car that the plenum still increases the power on top to redline. On a stock car the plenum still does its thing on top but there are also some benefits seen a little lower down the RPM range which increases peak HP.
"When you're running the quarter mile and every one hundreths of a second counts, the Crawford plenum is a must have mod - HFM."
Originally posted by flynnibus
Lets remember WHY you do have access to a free plenum.. because you had something up your butt about it and I'm sure Adam and friends simply wanted to stand behind the product in face of someone who was just bent on not believing anyone but themself.
Lets remember WHY you do have access to a free plenum.. because you had something up your butt about it and I'm sure Adam and friends simply wanted to stand behind the product in face of someone who was just bent on not believing anyone but themself.
Originally posted by hfm
Flynnibus, I don't know why you are so concerned about what happened this weekend at a local So. Cal. dyno shop. I don't know if you're just trying to get on my case or are trying to make some point.
Flynnibus, I don't know why you are so concerned about what happened this weekend at a local So. Cal. dyno shop. I don't know if you're just trying to get on my case or are trying to make some point.
I could spend the next day counting how many posts YOU injected into threads about the plenum.. unsolicitied.
So all of a sudden.. hfm is god and everyone else is butting in?
Oh.. I'm trembling.... please..
I just want to know if in the future:
1) you plan on validating YOUR dyno results over other people's
2) you plan on continuing to jump into every plenum topic
You seem to have a real knact for focusing on what works for you while ignoring the rest.
I appreciate the time you guys put into this.. but even in your own quest, I don't find this any reason to doubt the 'non-independent' dynos of other crawford installations.
This dyno if posted from anyone other then yourselves would have been discounted by yourself for the same reasons you have discounted others.
I don't see how this has added any closure to your quest.
Originally posted by flynnibus
All of a sudden this is about me??
All of a sudden this is about me??
What do you care? Why are you posting on this thread? What interest do you have? What are you trying to prove? Are you just mad I told you to shut the hell up?
If you want to act as a moderator, do it on the forum where you do infact moderate. In the meanwhile, as long as you keep posting stuff that really is, I don't know, commenting about my posts, I'm going to tell you that this is my opinion, I'm entitled to it and if I want to tell you to shut the hell up, I'm entitled to that as well. You don't like it, keep posting and people can decide for themselves.
Originally posted by flynnibus
All of a sudden this is about me??
I could spend the next day counting how many posts YOU injected into threads about the plenum.. unsolicitied.
So all of a sudden.. hfm is god and everyone else is butting in?
Oh.. I'm trembling.... please..
I just want to know if in the future:
1) you plan on validating YOUR dyno results over other people's
2) you plan on continuing to jump into every plenum topic
You seem to have a real knact for focusing on what works for you while ignoring the rest.
I appreciate the time you guys put into this.. but even in your own quest, I don't find this any reason to doubt the 'non-independent' dynos of other crawford installations.
This dyno if posted from anyone other then yourselves would have been discounted by yourself for the same reasons you have discounted others.
I don't see how this has added any closure to your quest.
All of a sudden this is about me??
I could spend the next day counting how many posts YOU injected into threads about the plenum.. unsolicitied.
So all of a sudden.. hfm is god and everyone else is butting in?
Oh.. I'm trembling.... please..
I just want to know if in the future:
1) you plan on validating YOUR dyno results over other people's
2) you plan on continuing to jump into every plenum topic
You seem to have a real knact for focusing on what works for you while ignoring the rest.
I appreciate the time you guys put into this.. but even in your own quest, I don't find this any reason to doubt the 'non-independent' dynos of other crawford installations.
This dyno if posted from anyone other then yourselves would have been discounted by yourself for the same reasons you have discounted others.
I don't see how this has added any closure to your quest.
I've only been here a few months and I've seen more rants with HFM spewing forth nothing but garbage than I care to count.
I'm outta this one..nothing here but ignorance.
Peace out



