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Old May 19, 2004 | 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by pulpz2
...I’ll be looking into the S-tune suspension myself. Hate to put money in Nissan’s pocket right now but I’m not going to cut off my nose to spite my face. Bottom line is I want the problem fixed for the cheapest price and if it means making my existing car more fun to drive then that’s what I’ll do. I don’t want to LL a car I love for this one problem. Financially I don’t think it makes sense. I plan on having this car for a long time.
Consider the Koni Sport SA shocks (which are tuned to the stock springs) for about $700-$800 + about $200 installation, a lot cheaper than the S-tune suspension. While we don't know yet if it'll fix the tire roar issue, there are those who believe it will (that the cupping wear pattern is because of the shocks having too stiff rebound and compression characteristics). I'm taking this gamble and I can say that at least the bounce is gone and the car is fun again.
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Old May 20, 2004 | 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by JimProuty
Consider the Koni Sport SA shocks (which are tuned to the stock springs) for about $700-$800 + about $200 installation, a lot cheaper than the S-tune suspension. While we don't know yet if it'll fix the tire roar issue, there are those who believe it will (that the cupping wear pattern is because of the shocks having too stiff rebound and compression characteristics). I'm taking this gamble and I can say that at least the bounce is gone and the car is fun again.
Thanks for the info. I think it's time for those of us who don't want to dump the car because of the feathering to start actively discussing possible fixes beyond the TSB service or a differnet brand of tire. Is there another thread dedicated to this?
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Old May 20, 2004 | 07:14 AM
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How much is the Stune cost? What's involved
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Old May 20, 2004 | 07:55 AM
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when my Z hit about 5000 it started to get noisey when i cruz around 35 mph is this because of the feathering problem
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Old May 20, 2004 | 09:13 AM
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NNA called and my 350z will be turned in on 5/26/04. So this will be my last week of enjoyment . Sunday I'm picking up my new/used ride, a 1983 280zx turbo in really good condition. At least if this one breaks down, it has an excuse (21 years old).
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Old May 20, 2004 | 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by pulpz2
Thanks for the info. I think it's time for those of us who don't want to dump the car because of the feathering to start actively discussing possible fixes beyond the TSB service or a differnet brand of tire. Is there another thread dedicated to this?
The Koni's are being discussed in two threads. The most often updated is Konis are here!!!.

The current thread has discussed different tires (mostly the revised tread on the Bridgestone RE040's).
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Old May 20, 2004 | 06:36 PM
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i thought it was already confirmed by a couple people that new suspension has no correlation with eliminating feathering.
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Old May 20, 2004 | 08:49 PM
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It has been rumed that the Konis, along with the Eibach pro spring kit eliminates the feathering for some. I have not prsonally confirmed, and I like others really don't want to dump this car, and would like to work together to share info. Again this has to do with the OEM's being to stiff. I do not want to put money int the money pit unless I know it has a good chance of success. It would be definitely cheaper than the cost of replacement tires, and loss of tire performance, over the long term.
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Old May 21, 2004 | 04:29 AM
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I'm at 29,000 miles, about to hit 30,000 so I would have to believe I'm one of the ones with the higher miles being that my car is only 1 year old. I, too, have loved this car from the moment it was introduced. I was always a Z fan, but now things have changed. I'm on my second set of tires, but it's going to be my third very soon. I have Michelin Sport... it doesn't matter what tire you get. I have HX's on the back... again, I had Potenzas first. There is no fixing this, so if you are like me and thought this would be the car you would drive until the death of the car, you better trade now. I'm going to purse complaints and letters until they are going to know my name. A class action law suit would make the lawyers rich, not really a fix for us... (according to someone else on this thread, too). I don't really know what venue to approach at this point.

When I purchased my car, the dealership had redone the front facia (however you spell it) bumper due to some scratches from a plastic tag holder from another dealership. Guess what? The whole clearcoat came off the bumper last week with a regular water hose. I about died. They are going to fix it, and I'm going to go ahead and get the tires rotated like they say. Ya'll should see the feathering and cupping on the inside... It's wild. DOCUMENT DOCUMENT DOCUMENT. I swear, I'm going to trade up for a 2005 when I can... hopefully Nissan will step up on this situation. It's becoming ridiculous.

What I'm wondering... are the 2004s doing the same thing? What about the Roadsters?

Another girl ill in Tennessee.
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Old May 21, 2004 | 08:36 AM
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NNA says, quote: "get confirmation from dealership that cupping has returned and I will be happy to replace the vehicle or re-buy, whatever you want. Just let me know, so I can get an offer letter to you." Astonishment! I think I know the answer to this question, but has anyone had an offer from NNA to replace the vehicle (especially a 2003 with substantial miles with a new 2004 model)? It sort of makes sense that they might be more willing to do this than a buy back because a $37,000 retail vehicle only costs NNA probably about $20,000-23,000 to make, whereas they will pay $30,000 or more to buy the old one back and then they have to mess with dealer arrangements to the take the car and sell it, etc.
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Old May 21, 2004 | 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by Sooooie
NNA says, quote: "get confirmation from dealership that cupping has returned and I will be happy to replace the vehicle or re-buy, whatever you want. Just let me know, so I can get an offer letter to you." Astonishment! I think I know the answer to this question, but has anyone had an offer from NNA to replace the vehicle (especially a 2003 with substantial miles with a new 2004 model)? It sort of makes sense that they might be more willing to do this than a buy back because a $37,000 retail vehicle only costs NNA probably about $20,000-23,000 to make, whereas they will pay $30,000 or more to buy the old one back and then they have to mess with dealer arrangements to the take the car and sell it, etc.

You have my attention...Who at NNA are you speaking with??
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Old May 21, 2004 | 08:53 AM
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Old May 21, 2004 | 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by Sooooie
NNA says, quote: "get confirmation from dealership that cupping has returned and I will be happy to replace the vehicle or re-buy, whatever you want. Just let me know, so I can get an offer letter to you." Astonishment! I think I know the answer to this question, but has anyone had an offer from NNA to replace the vehicle (especially a 2003 with substantial miles with a new 2004 model)? It sort of makes sense that they might be more willing to do this than a buy back because a $37,000 retail vehicle only costs NNA probably about $20,000-23,000 to make, whereas they will pay $30,000 or more to buy the old one back and then they have to mess with dealer arrangements to the take the car and sell it, etc.
NNA lost 8K plus whatever loss in value on my car. So this may be hurting them somewhat at this point. The buybacks and LL's are growing in number since they released the 24/24,000 offer. Most folks saw right thru the lack luster offer.
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Old May 21, 2004 | 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by xx350Zxx
when my Z hit about 5000 it started to get noisey when i cruz around 35 mph is this because of the feathering problem
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Sounds like the symptoms of the feathering problem. Turn your wheels as far as they can turn and run your hand along the inside edge of your tire. If it feels bumpy then that is feathering. You can also see it by looking at the inside edge of the tire.
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Old May 21, 2004 | 10:32 AM
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You have my attention...Who at NNA are you speaking with??
Sorry, I can't devulge specific information. The last thing I need is someone potentially taking heat for trying to do a good deed, if that is what is happening. I assume no one else has had NNA try to settle the matter short of filing an arbitration claim?
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Old May 21, 2004 | 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by Sooooie
NNA says, quote: "get confirmation from dealership that cupping has returned and I will be happy to replace the vehicle or re-buy, whatever you want. Just let me know, so I can get an offer letter to you." Astonishment! I think I know the answer to this question, but has anyone had an offer from NNA to replace the vehicle (especially a 2003 with substantial miles with a new 2004 model)? It sort of makes sense that they might be more willing to do this than a buy back because a $37,000 retail vehicle only costs NNA probably about $20,000-23,000 to make, whereas they will pay $30,000 or more to buy the old one back and then they have to mess with dealer arrangements to the take the car and sell it, etc.
In your quote you state they said, "I will be happy to replace the vehicle or re-buy". So how does this make more sense to you? Because they said they will do both willingly according to you. I am a little confused.

This is good news! I would like to see you get this in writing though. That is the only thing that would Astonish me.

Good luck.
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Old May 23, 2004 | 04:42 AM
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so are these problems happening in the 03z or on the 04z as well??? i was going to pick up a Z when i got back to the states in a couple months
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Old May 23, 2004 | 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by Sooooie
Try it and see. If a consumer asks you if you have had any problems with the vehicle and you say no, when you have taken it in 4-5 times and had the front tires replaced 2-3 times after having bitched on this bulletin board for a year and complained to your service manager, your best friend and anyone else who would listen. If you say "no problems" and the consumer proves there are problems and that you knew about it and lied about it, YOU ARE liable for fraud and if it is worth it to pursue, a lawyer will represent that consumer against you to get his money back, plus prejudgment interest, plus attorney fees, litigations costs and all other relief the court deems just and equitable. Try it and see. You might luck out, you might not. I wouldn't do it on principle alone. That is why I'm going after NNA to buy the thing back, or if that isn't economically advantageous, I guess I'll trade it and let the dealership worry about it. I'm not saying you have to disclose every mechanical problem you have ever had when you sell a vehicle, but if you are asked and you lie about a material problem, it IS actionable.
Although not a lawyer but an engineer, I think Sooooie's arguments are solid. I'm just thankful I haven't noticed any tire problems (yet) on my Z, at 7900 miles. Even if I do Soooie, I'll ignore them :-)

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Old May 24, 2004 | 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by mxpx_8
In your quote you state they said, "I will be happy to replace the vehicle or re-buy". So how does this make more sense to you? Because they said they will do both willingly according to you. I am a little confused.

This is good news! I would like to see you get this in writing though. That is the only thing that would Astonish me.

Good luck.
I wouldn't be that surprised that they offer to do a re-buy, depending on what the offer is. My statement referred to the possibility that they would be willing to hand over a brand new replacement vehicle without any other money changing hands. But, I said, that may make sense since it doesn't cost them anywhere near the value of the car.
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Old May 24, 2004 | 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Sooooie
I wouldn't be that surprised that they offer to do a re-buy, depending on what the offer is. My statement referred to the possibility that they would be willing to hand over a brand new replacement vehicle without any other money changing hands. But, I said, that may make sense since it doesn't cost them anywhere near the value of the car.
I recomend aginst taking a replacment due to the fact that my 2004 has the exact same issues.

Good luck with what ever you decide. We all need to keep sticking together in this and keep sharing information.
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