Tire FEATHERING: FYI
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Originally posted by Boomer
NOW HEAR THIS!
YOU MAY BE ABLE TO IF YOU CHANGE:
1. TIRES;
2. SHOCKS/STRUTS/SPRINGS; AND
3. HAVE THE PROPER ALIGNMENT.
I don't like being called a fool and I have said for over a year, get rid of the OE tires, their tread is too soft to hold the mismatched springs/struts in their proper alignment.
Why do you or anyone else think I have changed tires?
Why am I waiting for Koni to release their struts?
Why else would the S-Tune "fix" the problem as some have said? What do you change with the S-Tune?
Springs/struts and anti-roll bars are all it is and the anti-roll bars don't count. If aligned properly, the S-Tune cures the problem, maybe? Screw the S-Tune, I want better, less expensive struts, not throwing more $ to Nissan for their NISMO line. You owe us an apology for your remarks, oz. All of us are not ignorant twits like you seem to believe, we've been through hell trying to get this problem resolved for a very long time. Find someone else to bully, you are not doing it here.
NOW HEAR THIS!
YOU MAY BE ABLE TO IF YOU CHANGE:
1. TIRES;
2. SHOCKS/STRUTS/SPRINGS; AND
3. HAVE THE PROPER ALIGNMENT.
I don't like being called a fool and I have said for over a year, get rid of the OE tires, their tread is too soft to hold the mismatched springs/struts in their proper alignment.
Why do you or anyone else think I have changed tires?
Why am I waiting for Koni to release their struts?
Why else would the S-Tune "fix" the problem as some have said? What do you change with the S-Tune?
Springs/struts and anti-roll bars are all it is and the anti-roll bars don't count. If aligned properly, the S-Tune cures the problem, maybe? Screw the S-Tune, I want better, less expensive struts, not throwing more $ to Nissan for their NISMO line. You owe us an apology for your remarks, oz. All of us are not ignorant twits like you seem to believe, we've been through hell trying to get this problem resolved for a very long time. Find someone else to bully, you are not doing it here.
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Originally posted by overZealous
If you are speaking to me Boomer then all I can say is that I don't know what you are talking about. My remarks were directed at Nissan and their techs. And I quote...
"I would like to address the following to Nissan Motor Corporation on the off chance they are reading this board:
YOU CAN'T FIX THE CUPPING PROBLEM BY PLAYING WITH THE TOE FOOLS!!!"
I've never bullied or otherwise been disrespectful of anyone on this board. Neither have I ever stated or implied that anyone here is ignorant. I was simply stating my opinion that Nissan is wasting our time with this front toe nonsense. I've been there and done that, several times, as have many others, and it doesn't work. I'm certainly not going to apologize for that.
If you are speaking to me Boomer then all I can say is that I don't know what you are talking about. My remarks were directed at Nissan and their techs. And I quote...
"I would like to address the following to Nissan Motor Corporation on the off chance they are reading this board:
YOU CAN'T FIX THE CUPPING PROBLEM BY PLAYING WITH THE TOE FOOLS!!!"
I've never bullied or otherwise been disrespectful of anyone on this board. Neither have I ever stated or implied that anyone here is ignorant. I was simply stating my opinion that Nissan is wasting our time with this front toe nonsense. I've been there and done that, several times, as have many others, and it doesn't work. I'm certainly not going to apologize for that.
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Originally posted by Boomer
You don't have to apologize for anything now that I understand who your remarks were directed at. It was simply unclear to me, hence the retort. I'm on your side, remember?
You don't have to apologize for anything now that I understand who your remarks were directed at. It was simply unclear to me, hence the retort. I'm on your side, remember?
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Boomer
I am not mad at anyone except Nissan. We all need this information to make informed decisions. The only BAD GUY here is NNA. We all have opinion's both right and wrong.
It may seem like we point out some people ,but it is not intentional. We are mad a NNA but they are not listening.
The toe issue is old news ,we just want NNA to come up with some new answers.
I am not mad at anyone except Nissan. We all need this information to make informed decisions. The only BAD GUY here is NNA. We all have opinion's both right and wrong.
It may seem like we point out some people ,but it is not intentional. We are mad a NNA but they are not listening.
The toe issue is old news ,we just want NNA to come up with some new answers.
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After reading many reviews of the stock tire on www.tirerack.com I believe that they are a large part of the problem. They may not be the only factor but a number of Lexus and Mazda owners also complained of unacceptable noise after 5000 miles and very rapid tire wear. I think it's worth taking a little time to read those comments.
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Originally posted by TCL
After reading many reviews of the stock tire on www.tirerack.com I believe that they are a large part of the problem. They may not be the only factor but a number of Lexus and Mazda owners also complained of unacceptable noise after 5000 miles and very rapid tire wear. I think it's worth taking a little time to read those comments.
After reading many reviews of the stock tire on www.tirerack.com I believe that they are a large part of the problem. They may not be the only factor but a number of Lexus and Mazda owners also complained of unacceptable noise after 5000 miles and very rapid tire wear. I think it's worth taking a little time to read those comments.
Sinse my Nissan dealer will not purchase me new tires, is it possible to take it to a Bridgestone dealer and complain? Would they replace or pro-rate them? And if I end up payning for brand new tires, if they feather again in 5000 miles, will the tire place replace them?
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Our your tires "Cupping" of "Feathering" ? At what mileage is it best to complain? What I mean is it looks like they first do the tsb and rotate, then they do the front tire replacement. If you complain at 5000 miles about the tires and they do the rotate then the problem comes back at 9-10,000 miles and they give you new front tires is this the best for getting the most wear from the first set of tires before you would go with a new set of Michelins at the 15,000 to 18,000 mile interval. Hope you get my drift. I'm keeping the Z. It looks as good as anything made in the 80,000+ price range and is real fun to drive. If I have to put new Michelins on every 15,000 miles that is not a problem for a performance car. I did it at 10,000 miles on my NSX, what the hell. I still don't think anyone should expect more than 15,000 out of a car running 18" high performance tires that are not real set up to rotate. JMHO
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Originally posted by Pit Bull
Our your tires "Cupping" of "Feathering" ? At what mileage is it best to complain? What I mean is it looks like they first do the tsb and rotate, then they do the front tire replacement. If you complain at 5000 miles about the tires and they do the rotate then the problem comes back at 9-10,000 miles and they give you new front tires is this the best for getting the most wear from the first set of tires before you would go with a new set of Michelins at the 15,000 to 18,000 mile interval. Hope you get my drift. I'm keeping the Z. It looks as good as anything made in the 80,000+ price range and is real fun to drive. If I have to put new Michelins on every 15,000 miles that is not a problem for a performance car. I did it at 10,000 miles on my NSX, what the hell. I still don't think anyone should expect more than 15,000 out of a car running 18" high performance tires that are not real set up to rotate. JMHO
Our your tires "Cupping" of "Feathering" ? At what mileage is it best to complain? What I mean is it looks like they first do the tsb and rotate, then they do the front tire replacement. If you complain at 5000 miles about the tires and they do the rotate then the problem comes back at 9-10,000 miles and they give you new front tires is this the best for getting the most wear from the first set of tires before you would go with a new set of Michelins at the 15,000 to 18,000 mile interval. Hope you get my drift. I'm keeping the Z. It looks as good as anything made in the 80,000+ price range and is real fun to drive. If I have to put new Michelins on every 15,000 miles that is not a problem for a performance car. I did it at 10,000 miles on my NSX, what the hell. I still don't think anyone should expect more than 15,000 out of a car running 18" high performance tires that are not real set up to rotate. JMHO
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Originally posted by barrybell
Original OEM tires 25,000 miles some feathering, front 5/32 left on front,
4/32 on back.
Original OEM tires 25,000 miles some feathering, front 5/32 left on front,
4/32 on back.
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I have 16K on the OEM tires. The feathering/cupping is really bad on the front and I don't think I can wait too much longer to replace them. If it weren't for the feathering/cupping, I would say that I would easily be able to get 25K from these tires.
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"Boomer"
Got the car Feb, 2003, drive city and highway, started feathering
at 8000 miles had the TSB done. New alignment readout for the toe was at 0.08 both sides (1/12 of an inch). The feathering is mild but still there. From many articles I've read the next alignment I want the toe at 0 degrees. That won't be till spring,
car in under cover for the winter. BTW my Toe was at .12 rt and -.10 left from the factory. And yes the noise is there also.
Got the car Feb, 2003, drive city and highway, started feathering
at 8000 miles had the TSB done. New alignment readout for the toe was at 0.08 both sides (1/12 of an inch). The feathering is mild but still there. From many articles I've read the next alignment I want the toe at 0 degrees. That won't be till spring,
car in under cover for the winter. BTW my Toe was at .12 rt and -.10 left from the factory. And yes the noise is there also.
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Originally posted by barrybell
"Boomer"
Got the car Feb, 2003, drive city and highway, started feathering
at 8000 miles had the TSB done. New alignment readout for the toe was at 0.08 both sides (1/12 of an inch). The feathering is mild but still there. From many articles I've read the next alignment I want the toe at 0 degrees. That won't be till spring,
car in under cover for the winter. BTW my Toe was at .12 rt and -.10 left from the factory. And yes the noise is there also.
"Boomer"
Got the car Feb, 2003, drive city and highway, started feathering
at 8000 miles had the TSB done. New alignment readout for the toe was at 0.08 both sides (1/12 of an inch). The feathering is mild but still there. From many articles I've read the next alignment I want the toe at 0 degrees. That won't be till spring,
car in under cover for the winter. BTW my Toe was at .12 rt and -.10 left from the factory. And yes the noise is there also.
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What boggles my mind is that this thread has 90 pages and that I look at it every day like it's some kind of religion for me...Is this an internet record 90+ pages?....I'm drunk BTW zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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From: NJ
Re: Your Front Caster and Camber Specs please
Originally posted by AmyCroft
For those of you Ackerman Angle fans. We are currently comparing G35 & G35C specs with 350Z.
Specifications do not jive.
Although same parts are hung on each car. (Struts excluded) the alignment specs need to be examined from Data from you guy's in the field.
The G35C ( with better tires - ) does not have a TSB for Feathering yet !
Although the wheel base of the cars differ by 8 inches, the steering parts of the cars appear to be the same. ( AA anyone? )
Link:
https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....threadid=53630
For those of you Ackerman Angle fans. We are currently comparing G35 & G35C specs with 350Z.
Specifications do not jive.
Although same parts are hung on each car. (Struts excluded) the alignment specs need to be examined from Data from you guy's in the field.
The G35C ( with better tires - ) does not have a TSB for Feathering yet !
Although the wheel base of the cars differ by 8 inches, the steering parts of the cars appear to be the same. ( AA anyone? )
Link:
https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....threadid=53630
I think you just lit the whole pile of tires on fire. How about this scenario.
- We know nissan is trying to control costs on the manufacturing of all their cars by using the same parts bin. This is why we don't have a REAL glove box. Right-hand vs. left-hand drive.
- We know that Ackerman Angle is affected by wheel base.
- We know the G35 doesn't have a problem.
Given these observations my thought is that we have the wrong suspension parts for our car. We have a setup for a car that is 8 inches longer.
Opinions?
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How do I become an un-newbie?
Originally posted by overZealous
So how do I become an un-newbie? Do I need a thousand posts or something?
So how do I become an un-newbie? Do I need a thousand posts or something?
Click on "Edit Profile" at the top,
Under "Custom User Text", Type in your new title,
Click 'Submit Modifications' button at bottom.