Notices
VQ35HR Mods and Support related to the 2007/08 High Revving VQ

HR - Aftermarket Clutch & Flywheel

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 25, 2009 | 10:40 AM
  #141  
ColoradoClark's Avatar
ColoradoClark
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 360
Likes: 0
From: Colorado
Default

Originally Posted by fla350tt
Well the first few miles on the clutch finally! It is a bit sticky, better than the stock clutch which only had 18500 miles on it.Only took 200 m. to toast it after installing the tt kit. the engagement is very quick, little drive ability right now. It may get a little smoother with some miles, pedal feel is about twice as stiff as the stock one. I would like to know some one else that has a aftermarket clutch to compare in person to see how they compare. And thanks Adam, the clutch alignment tool from other nissans did work.
Good info -- keep us posted as you break that thing in. What TT setup are you running? What kind of HP/torque?
Reply
Old Jul 25, 2009 | 01:55 PM
  #142  
fla350tt's Avatar
fla350tt
Registered User
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 104
Likes: 0
From: florida
Default gtm

Gtm stg 2 W/ open waste gates, stock internals. 8 psi-363 tq &420 hp/ 10 psi- 400 tq &458 hp/12 psi- 430 tq & 505 hp
Reply
Old Jul 26, 2009 | 06:34 AM
  #143  
fla350tt's Avatar
fla350tt
Registered User
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 104
Likes: 0
From: florida
Default

Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz
I am surprised it is so stiff.....my single is lighter than my factory pedal. The pressure plate is only 1000kg, right? My engagement has softened noticeably since the install. Initially it would shutter if you left a light below 2k, but now it doesn't really do it (600 miles or so in).
Well, I went through my paper work and figured out that the pressure on the clutch is 1100kg.
Reply
Old Jul 26, 2009 | 08:41 AM
  #144  
Z1 Performance's Avatar
Z1 Performance
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (564)
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 19,266
Likes: 5
From: Long Island, New York
Default

good stuff Chris glad you got sorted on the alignment tool

the pressure plate clamp load on the aluminum cover, 215mm disk type is 1100kg. I have to search around and see what the stock HR pressure plate clamp load is - not sure if I've ever seen that info posted

you'll find that the engagement gets smoother and smoother as it's run in. Try doing around 400-500 miles on stop/go type driving, no launching, and avoiding solid speed cruising or full pull WOT runs. Once that's done, enjoy it!

Last edited by Z1 Performance; Jul 26, 2009 at 08:43 AM.
Reply
Old Jul 26, 2009 | 02:01 PM
  #145  
fla350tt's Avatar
fla350tt
Registered User
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 104
Likes: 0
From: florida
Default

Thanks for the info
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2009 | 03:09 PM
  #146  
warmmilk's Avatar
warmmilk
Registered User
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,921
Likes: 1
From: Seattle (area), WA
Default

so nobody knows the stock clamping load for the hr?

what about the de?
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2009 | 06:59 PM
  #147  
musubi's Avatar
musubi
New Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 726
Likes: 3
From: Hawaii
Default

Found the clamping force for the DE to be 1936 lb or about 878 KG. Found it here:
http://www.*********.com/forums/lofi...hp/t37855.html

It may not be official, but I don't know otherwise. Wouldn't mind knowing for the HR also so I can compare with current aftermarket pressures.

EDIT: K, don't know why there's ** in the link supposed to be "350z- tech" where the ** are), but I just searched google "350z stock clamping force", 7-th link down.

Last edited by musubi; Jul 28, 2009 at 07:06 PM.
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2009 | 07:05 PM
  #148  
03threefiftyz's Avatar
03threefiftyz
350Z-holic
Premier Member
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 9,848
Likes: 118
From: Frederick, MD
Default

Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
good stuff Chris glad you got sorted on the alignment tool

the pressure plate clamp load on the aluminum cover, 215mm disk type is 1100kg. I have to search around and see what the stock HR pressure plate clamp load is - not sure if I've ever seen that info posted

you'll find that the engagement gets smoother and smoother as it's run in. Try doing around 400-500 miles on stop/go type driving, no launching, and avoiding solid speed cruising or full pull WOT runs. Once that's done, enjoy it!
Hey Adam, I noticed with mine that right around the ~500 mile mark the clutch became much more compliant (even with the UR pulley). No longer shutters below 1700 from a stop. It really has become a pleasure to drive......aside from the little added noise that was to be expected. 1st gear engagement has also become slightly less grabby.
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2009 | 04:45 AM
  #149  
Z1 Performance's Avatar
Z1 Performance
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (564)
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 19,266
Likes: 5
From: Long Island, New York
Default

good stuff!
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2009 | 09:51 AM
  #150  
musubi's Avatar
musubi
New Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 726
Likes: 3
From: Hawaii
Default

So, if the clamping force is 1200 KG for the OSG Dual and the JWT clutch is 1200 KG, does the OSG have the same likelihood of causing the CSC to fail? I thought the pressure was lower in a dual.

The OSG would use the existing CSC right?
Excuse my ignorance on this stuff.
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2009 | 09:54 AM
  #151  
03threefiftyz's Avatar
03threefiftyz
350Z-holic
Premier Member
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 9,848
Likes: 118
From: Frederick, MD
Default

OS is 1100 I believe....
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2009 | 12:16 PM
  #152  
Ataru074's Avatar
Ataru074
Registered User
iTrader: (19)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,395
Likes: 0
From: Houston,TX
Default

Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz
OS is 1100 I believe....
so... 1100 OSG, 1200 JWT, stock HR around 900 maybe?
exedy stage 1 and 2 1030kg..
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2009 | 02:06 PM
  #153  
Peak350's Avatar
Peak350
Registered User
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,844
Likes: 0
From: DeLand, Florida
Default

For some reason I think the stock one is near 800 kg. I'll see if I can find where, but I thought I read the JWT was 50% stiffer, it feels a lot stiffer so its possible.

Edit - 370z plate is 880kg, and has a nifty self adjusting mechanism that I don't remember seeing on my stock plate.
http://www.370z.com/MagazineArticles...-Flywheel.aspx

Last edited by Peak350; Jul 29, 2009 at 02:13 PM.
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2009 | 05:35 PM
  #154  
musubi's Avatar
musubi
New Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 726
Likes: 3
From: Hawaii
Default

Originally Posted by Ataru074
so... 1100 OSG, 1200 JWT, stock HR around 900 maybe?
exedy stage 1 and 2 1030kg..
If that's the case, I wouldn't mind trying the exedy + flywheel setup. I wouldn't be tracking or significantly increasing hp in my car that much anyways.
Reply
Old Jul 30, 2009 | 02:14 AM
  #155  
finalfantasy316's Avatar
finalfantasy316
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 207
Likes: 0
From: Cincinnati, OH
Default

Originally Posted by musubi
If that's the case, I wouldn't mind trying the exedy + flywheel setup. I wouldn't be tracking or significantly increasing hp in my car that much anyways.
ok....... you are talking like the exedy wouldn't hold up to the osg or something. exedy is like the leading brand of clutches for imports. so you could still track the hell out of it and still get tons of hp out of it. i dont know maybe its just the way you made it sound was like you couldn't do those things with exedy clutch but you could with osg or something else.
Reply
Old Jul 30, 2009 | 04:11 AM
  #156  
Z1 Performance's Avatar
Z1 Performance
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (564)
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 19,266
Likes: 5
From: Long Island, New York
Default

Originally Posted by musubi
If that's the case, I wouldn't mind trying the exedy + flywheel setup. I wouldn't be tracking or significantly increasing hp in my car that much anyways.
then you should probably just leave it stock, as there won't be any point in upgrading
Reply
Old Jul 30, 2009 | 04:10 PM
  #157  
musubi's Avatar
musubi
New Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 726
Likes: 3
From: Hawaii
Default

Originally Posted by finalfantasy316
ok....... you are talking like the exedy wouldn't hold up to the osg or something. exedy is like the leading brand of clutches for imports. so you could still track the hell out of it and still get tons of hp out of it. i dont know maybe its just the way you made it sound was like you couldn't do those things with exedy clutch but you could with osg or something else.
It's nothing against OSG or exedy. I was just looking at the pressure #'s. Lower the better I'm thinking, seeing as the CSC may be related to the pressure on the plates. Plus, dual plate clutches sound a bit extreme for a daily driver and for what I might do. And JWT seems to make me think fail, since it's what I hear more, even though there isn't too much to go by. Btw, you looking at the ATS for your setup or still looking for more options?


Z1, true, stock is a consideration. Although, if I replace it, wouldn't mind upgrading since the trans would be out. Didn't think the stage 1 + flywheel was that serious of an upgrade. Stock flywheel and clutch can be a bit pricey, but if the CSC fails w/ an aftermarket clutch, it's hard to say which is the better route for cost. I'm thinking it might be worth taking a chance? I'm not looking to buy one soon, so I'll keep my eyes open here.

I'm more interested in seeing if any other clutches come out that tries to tackle the CSC issue. I'm hoping ATS and stock are not the only options.

Last edited by musubi; Jul 30, 2009 at 04:33 PM.
Reply
Old Jul 31, 2009 | 07:41 AM
  #158  
Z1 Performance's Avatar
Z1 Performance
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (564)
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 19,266
Likes: 5
From: Long Island, New York
Default

people have blown the CSC on stock clutches as well

sometimes things just happen based upon the luck of the draw
Reply
Old Jul 31, 2009 | 11:31 AM
  #159  
midz350's Avatar
midz350
New Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 4,054
Likes: 24
From: around.
Default

what are the symptoms of blown CSC ?

Last edited by midz350; Jul 31, 2009 at 11:34 AM.
Reply
Old Jul 31, 2009 | 02:50 PM
  #160  
Peak350's Avatar
Peak350
Registered User
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,844
Likes: 0
From: DeLand, Florida
Default

Originally Posted by midz350
what are the symptoms of blown CSC ?
Clutch pedal fully stuck to the floor, and the clutch stuck "engaged" so you can't shift.
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:09 PM.