downgrade tires (threading issue)
I have an 05 touring roadster, and like some 350's it has the dreaded tire threading issue! and im having the hardest time having the dealer do anything about it those ****ing ******. im thinking if im going to have to be changing tires every few years instead of buying the expensive *** bridgestone potenzas that go for around $200 each to just downgrade to a cheaper more affordable tire. i dont drag or realy push it too hard so i think ill be ok. has anyone downgraded tires because of this issue, if so what are some alternative brand names i could consider? id appreciate that help
Had the same issue with OEM Potenzas. Now running Hankook K110 EVO's. Car & Driver last year gave them a good rating. Alot more comfortable ride and still handle quite well. Slight less turn in response but very happy all around.
Thank you for posting good pictures. That reduces the guessing and provides better responses.
Looking at your pictures, I don’t think you are experiencing tire feathering. Feathering is a condition when the edge of each tread rib develops a slightly rounded edge on one side and a sharp edge on the other. This type of wear typically results in a lot of noise that is especially noticeable when you slow the car.
The wear pattern on your tires appears more like “one side wear.” This happens when there is excessive camber in the front suspension, causing the wheel to lean too much to the inside or outside and therefore excessive wear. As the other readers mention, you may only need an alignment to correct this. You should also evaluate your suspension components since misalignment could be due to worn springs, ball joints, or control arm bushings.
Please correct me if I’m wrong guys, but I think that is the problem here.
--Spike
Looking at your pictures, I don’t think you are experiencing tire feathering. Feathering is a condition when the edge of each tread rib develops a slightly rounded edge on one side and a sharp edge on the other. This type of wear typically results in a lot of noise that is especially noticeable when you slow the car.
The wear pattern on your tires appears more like “one side wear.” This happens when there is excessive camber in the front suspension, causing the wheel to lean too much to the inside or outside and therefore excessive wear. As the other readers mention, you may only need an alignment to correct this. You should also evaluate your suspension components since misalignment could be due to worn springs, ball joints, or control arm bushings.
Please correct me if I’m wrong guys, but I think that is the problem here.
--Spike
Why did you NOT swap these tires 10,000 miles ago?
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Read reviews, see what others are saying and make your choice based on your research not just on one person telling you to buy this. As far as the wear issue I would say find a GOOD alignment shop and have it realigned.
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Better tires a little cheaper
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Cheap but good tires
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Read reviews, see what others are saying and make your choice based on your research not just on one person telling you to buy this. As far as the wear issue I would say find a GOOD alignment shop and have it realigned.
Last edited by ComeBack; Oct 15, 2010 at 06:18 PM.
As others said downgrading won't fix your problem. A new set of any kind of tires (cheap or expensive, good or bad), and an alignment by a reputable shop to get your toe back into spec so you won't this bad of tire wear. You might want to look into camber arms as well so they can set it correctly when aligning your car.
Hope it all works out for you.
Hope it all works out for you.
Mine's really weird. My front cambers are -1.0 and -1.3. Toes are .03 and .07.
Got the alignment done 2 months ago and i see inner tires wearing down little more than outter. I see my tires wearing down like yours in the future lol. i don't see feathering but doesn't seem like inner side could possibly wear down with my alignment spec. The car has 41000 miles but i don't know if these tires were on when the first car was sold since i bought it at 39000 miles. The car had ridiculous toe setting but correct camber with even tire wear pattern.
Got the alignment done 2 months ago and i see inner tires wearing down little more than outter. I see my tires wearing down like yours in the future lol. i don't see feathering but doesn't seem like inner side could possibly wear down with my alignment spec. The car has 41000 miles but i don't know if these tires were on when the first car was sold since i bought it at 39000 miles. The car had ridiculous toe setting but correct camber with even tire wear pattern.
Is there a Moderator or an Administrator that can reformat ComBack’s posting.
His posting is screwing up the horizontal viewing because he posted a very long webpage address. That makes reading the thread very difficult.
The same thing happens when people post large pictures.
--Spike
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EDIT: 10:45 CST. ComeBack has done the fix himself, and without any assistance from a Moderator or Administrator.
His posting is screwing up the horizontal viewing because he posted a very long webpage address. That makes reading the thread very difficult.
The same thing happens when people post large pictures.
--Spike
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EDIT: 10:45 CST. ComeBack has done the fix himself, and without any assistance from a Moderator or Administrator.
Last edited by Spike100; Oct 15, 2010 at 06:45 PM.
thanks fellas been a great help and i feel much better bout just going all out on the potenzas now that i know what "the threading issue" realy is, and glad to hear it cuz i dont want to mess with that ish, nice!
thanks!
thanks!
BTW that can also happen when the radius arm bushings blow. When the bushing goes out you get extra caster, when you have extra caster you get more camber when turning.
Is there a Moderator or an Administrator that can reformat ComBack’s posting.
His posting is screwing up the horizontal viewing because he posted a very long webpage address. That makes reading the thread very difficult.
The same thing happens when people post large pictures.
--Spike
His posting is screwing up the horizontal viewing because he posted a very long webpage address. That makes reading the thread very difficult.
The same thing happens when people post large pictures.
--Spike
EDIT: But now... relapse
--Spike
Last edited by Spike100; Oct 15, 2010 at 06:18 PM.
Is there a Moderator or an Administrator that can reformat ComBack’s posting.
His posting is screwing up the horizontal viewing because he posted a very long webpage address. That makes reading the thread very difficult.
The same thing happens when people post large pictures.
--Spike
His posting is screwing up the horizontal viewing because he posted a very long webpage address. That makes reading the thread very difficult.
The same thing happens when people post large pictures.
--Spike
Actually “threading” is a cooking technique where darning needles are used to drag fat into a beef roast so that the meat cooks with the enclosed fat making it more flavorful. Julia Child describes the technique in all of her cookbooks.
I think the OP meant to say “feathering.”
The OP did post very good pictures that show the wear pattern to be “one sided wear” and not “feathering.”
The disturbing aspect in this discussion is that his tire dealer apparently did not identify the problem. But, maybe there is some other stuff going on here.
--Spike
b. Find a respectable alignment shop, and set front camber to -1.0 degrees.
c. Estimate the life of the new tires. Say 20,000. Swap at half that or 10,000 miles.
^^ David provides good advice when he suggests: “b. Find a respectable alignment shop, and set front camber to -1.0 degrees.”
The tire issue on early model Z’s often came down to poorly calibrated alignment equipment at some Nissan dealerships. In fact Nissan issued an order requiring the dealers to calibrate their equipment and register the results with the company.
You will get a better result doing what David suggests (Find a respectable alignment shop). That could be your Nissan dealership… or not.
My experience with alignment and mounting new tires is not good with a car dealership. They do not sell enough tires or do enough alignments to be expert at this task. When mounting new tires and performing an alignment, go to a tire shop that is expert doing this.
--Spike
The tire issue on early model Z’s often came down to poorly calibrated alignment equipment at some Nissan dealerships. In fact Nissan issued an order requiring the dealers to calibrate their equipment and register the results with the company.
You will get a better result doing what David suggests (Find a respectable alignment shop). That could be your Nissan dealership… or not.
My experience with alignment and mounting new tires is not good with a car dealership. They do not sell enough tires or do enough alignments to be expert at this task. When mounting new tires and performing an alignment, go to a tire shop that is expert doing this.
--Spike
Last edited by Spike100; Oct 15, 2010 at 07:19 PM.
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