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Originally Posted by jetnoirZ
Im not illegal im a US citizen. Born and raised in California. But it irritates me how people can go around saying **** illegals gtfo etc. Most of the people saying that have never left their little safety bubble. I say u travel the world read about BS going on in other countries i.e. darfur, africa, murders in mexico, Chavez in Venezuela, Communist Korea and their BS. You'll apreciate what u have. And ull start to understand why these people risk their lives to get here illegally. Yeah theres bad ones out there but think about it if a different illegal did some thing bad everyday thats 365 a year. But think about the thousands more that go to school work below minimum wage and mind their own buisness here. Just open urself a little first before people go condeming illegals as a burden.
First, you are ABSOLUTELY correct about how good we have it here in North America. No question. People live hard, hard lives in many other parts of the world. I've spent time in Vietnam and India, both are countries that are transitioning from "third world" to "first world" (still a long way to go in both), and I've seen first hand how hard it is for people to live. We HAVE grown soft here, no doubt.
BUT.... part of why we can have this lifestyle is because we live under democratic regimes that, by and large, work well enough to collect taxation from its citizens, and redistribute these funds for social services to benefit the people, such as education, health, and so on. The FOUNDATION of our western way of life depends on the collection of these taxes... it makes for a nice, positive feedback circle. More citizens (or richer citizens) ===> more taxes ===> more services for said citizens. Illegal immigration disrupts the cycle, because they do NOT pay into the system, yet many find a way to benefit from it, resulting in less services for everyone, including those that pay into it.
It's not about "good" illegals vs. "bad" illegals. It's simply about social responsibility. You want to come to one of our two countries? Okay.... do it by the rules. I will be the FIRST to admit it is now too difficult for honest citizens to come to my country legally (my government makes me ashmed at times), therefore making the illegal route seem more tempting. This needs to change, though. As for the illegals... I don't necessarily say deport them. I say, integrate/legalize them forcibly. If you're not willing to be a fully integrated member of the society from which you are benefitting, then you lose your privlege to live there. And as arrogant as it sounds, living in rich countries such as ours is a privilege (to non-citizens), it is not a right.
Keep in mind, don't even THINK about switching the word "illegal" for refugee. I am a huge proponent of human rights and amnesty, and I think people with legitimate claims for claiming refugee status DESERVE to be brought in and taken care of immediately.
That is the core of the anti-illegal debate. What is so unfortunate, is that there are other, less tolerant people who think it's a legitimate podium for their anti-immigration/racist goals, and that's a damn shame
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Originally Posted by psytropic
#1, go home,
#2 Mexico is a country so you CANNOT be racist against Mexicans.
#3 Most illegals are criminals and are scum that even Mexico doesn't want.
#4 Mexico is actually a nice place to live if you have a skillset and just don't build fences.
#5 In the 50's when America saw a huge drop in LEGAL immigration we were fine. Construction is a good proud job so don't go saying "illegals do the work we don't want to"
You will never change my mind that illegals should not just GTFO
But thats not what this thread was about in any way. It was about me getting screwed for no reason and me wanting to vent about it. No one forced you to read this thread or respond to it.
#2 Mexico is a country so you CANNOT be racist against Mexicans.
#3 Most illegals are criminals and are scum that even Mexico doesn't want.
#4 Mexico is actually a nice place to live if you have a skillset and just don't build fences.
#5 In the 50's when America saw a huge drop in LEGAL immigration we were fine. Construction is a good proud job so don't go saying "illegals do the work we don't want to"
You will never change my mind that illegals should not just GTFO
But thats not what this thread was about in any way. It was about me getting screwed for no reason and me wanting to vent about it. No one forced you to read this thread or respond to it.
Originally Posted by Z Phil
I don't know if you are necessarily arguing with me (since I know I've never said anything derogatory about different ethnicities and I never will), but I like debate, so allow me to take up your point.
First, you are ABSOLUTELY correct about how good we have it here in North America. No question. People live hard, hard lives in many other parts of the world. I've spent time in Vietnam and India, both are countries that are transitioning from "third world" to "first world" (still a long way to go in both), and I've seen first hand how hard it is for people to live. We HAVE grown soft here, no doubt.
BUT.... part of why we can have this lifestyle is because we live under democratic regimes that, by and large, work well enough to collect taxation from its citizens, and redistribute these funds for social services to benefit the people, such as education, health, and so on. The FOUNDATION of our western way of life depends on the collection of these taxes... it makes for a nice, positive feedback circle. More citizens (or richer citizens) ===> more taxes ===> more services for said citizens. Illegal immigration disrupts the cycle, because they do NOT pay into the system, yet many find a way to benefit from it, resulting in less services for everyone, including those that pay into it.
It's not about "good" illegals vs. "bad" illegals. It's simply about social responsibility. You want to come to one of our two countries? Okay.... do it by the rules. I will be the FIRST to admit it is now too difficult for honest citizens to come to my country legally (my government makes me ashmed at times), therefore making the illegal route seem more tempting. This needs to change, though. As for the illegals... I don't necessarily say deport them. I say, integrate/legalize them forcibly. If you're not willing to be a fully integrated member of the society from which you are benefitting, then you lose your privlege to live there. And as arrogant as it sounds, living in rich countries such as ours is a privilege (to non-citizens), it is not a right.
Keep in mind, don't even THINK about switching the word "illegal" for refugee. I am a huge proponent of human rights and amnesty, and I think people with legitimate claims for claiming refugee status DESERVE to be brought in and taken care of immediately.
That is the core of the anti-illegal debate. What is so unfortunate, is that there are other, less tolerant people who think it's a legitimate podium for their anti-immigration/racist goals, and that's a damn shame
First, you are ABSOLUTELY correct about how good we have it here in North America. No question. People live hard, hard lives in many other parts of the world. I've spent time in Vietnam and India, both are countries that are transitioning from "third world" to "first world" (still a long way to go in both), and I've seen first hand how hard it is for people to live. We HAVE grown soft here, no doubt.
BUT.... part of why we can have this lifestyle is because we live under democratic regimes that, by and large, work well enough to collect taxation from its citizens, and redistribute these funds for social services to benefit the people, such as education, health, and so on. The FOUNDATION of our western way of life depends on the collection of these taxes... it makes for a nice, positive feedback circle. More citizens (or richer citizens) ===> more taxes ===> more services for said citizens. Illegal immigration disrupts the cycle, because they do NOT pay into the system, yet many find a way to benefit from it, resulting in less services for everyone, including those that pay into it.
It's not about "good" illegals vs. "bad" illegals. It's simply about social responsibility. You want to come to one of our two countries? Okay.... do it by the rules. I will be the FIRST to admit it is now too difficult for honest citizens to come to my country legally (my government makes me ashmed at times), therefore making the illegal route seem more tempting. This needs to change, though. As for the illegals... I don't necessarily say deport them. I say, integrate/legalize them forcibly. If you're not willing to be a fully integrated member of the society from which you are benefitting, then you lose your privlege to live there. And as arrogant as it sounds, living in rich countries such as ours is a privilege (to non-citizens), it is not a right.
Keep in mind, don't even THINK about switching the word "illegal" for refugee. I am a huge proponent of human rights and amnesty, and I think people with legitimate claims for claiming refugee status DESERVE to be brought in and taken care of immediately.
That is the core of the anti-illegal debate. What is so unfortunate, is that there are other, less tolerant people who think it's a legitimate podium for their anti-immigration/racist goals, and that's a damn shame
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thank you i get your point and i concur. You dont seem to an ignorant racist like alot of people out there. I agree with what you say. i dont protect those who do abuse the system and truly burden us. I protect those who are looking for a better life and politics get in the way.
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Originally Posted by iceagetlc
OP doesn't want to say what happened because he figures we're all on his side about it, and in retrospect realizes that he may have done something wrong.
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I'm getting a bit annoyed. He threw the wrech/rock whatever as I rolled up to a cross walk, who ****ing knows why he did it.
Originally Posted by psytropic
I'm getting a bit annoyed. He threw the wrech/rock whatever as I rolled up to a cross walk, who ****ing knows why he did it.
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Originally Posted by Z Phil
You still haven't told us how you know he's an illegal immigrant, though.
ohhh well thats easy, thick accent, broken english and doesn't own a car.
You might think me some ignorant racist, but living here as long as I have you learn things....
so you simply moved into the middle lane? did you do it at a fast or aggressive pace in attempt to scoot away before he crossed into your lane? its rather obvious that you did NOT just move into the middle lane if he was accusing you of almost hitting his daughter. tell us the whole story. fill in all the gaps. until then expect us to be suspicious
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Originally Posted by Conceyted
so you simply moved into the middle lane? did you do it at a fast or aggressive pace in attempt to scoot away before he crossed into your lane? its rather obvious that you did NOT just move into the middle lane if he was accusing you of almost hitting his daughter. tell us the whole story. fill in all the gaps. until then expect us to be suspicious
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Originally Posted by Z Phil
<snip.. I will be the FIRST to admit it is now too difficult for honest citizens to come to my country legally (my government makes me ashmed at times), therefore making the illegal route seem more tempting. This needs to change, though. /end snip
My wife got a job with her company here, as a manager who would (and now has) hire Americans and teach them some pretty unique skills in the Oil and Gas industry to improve deep drilling in the gulf.
We are both from the UK, naturalized and I have even served in our equiv. of the National Guard (meaning there is a **** load of data on me to prove I'm not a "bad egg").
We almost had the highest level visa there is, and yet it STILL took 4 months for the government to approve my personal paper work (as an accompanying spouse), get me an SSN and then get me a driving licence. I couldn't work until that was all sorted.
We have been here 3.5 years now (4 in March) and my credit rating only this year went to an acceptable level - as we both basically came in on zeros (nothing from the UK counted despite the fact we had credit cards, mortgage and car loan histories).
I've never known a system so reliant on previous history for everything from buying a car, getting a cell phone or even your car insurance rates.
It's the perfect Catch 22 - if you have no history, everythings expensive or not available at all, and you need history to make things cheaper/available.
We are now about to get our Green Cards (hopefully early next year after applying as soon as we could) and it will still take a good 6 months for some lazy SOB in a Government dept to "switch" our status from one to the other - and then we have to wait 5 years before we can apply for citizenship.
And people wonder why there are illeagals?
Not that I agree - it annoys the crap outta me that I have done everything right, pay taxes and SS and still could get deported using the same rules as an illeagal for farting in the wrong place....
Sorry for derailing... although it looked derailed anyway
Originally Posted by chunky_baby
Oh HELL yes I agree with you.
My wife got a job with her company here, as a manager who would (and now has) hire Americans and teach them some pretty unique skills in the Oil and Gas industry to improve deep drilling in the gulf.
We are both from the UK, naturalized and I have even served in our equiv. of the National Guard (meaning there is a **** load of data on me to prove I'm not a "bad egg").
We almost had the highest level visa there is, and yet it STILL took 4 months for the government to approve my personal paper work (as an accompanying spouse), get me an SSN and then get me a driving licence. I couldn't work until that was all sorted.
We have been here 3.5 years now (4 in March) and my credit rating only this year went to an acceptable level - as we both basically came in on zeros (nothing from the UK counted despite the fact we had credit cards, mortgage and car loan histories).
I've never known a system so reliant on previous history for everything from buying a car, getting a cell phone or even your car insurance rates.
It's the perfect Catch 22 - if you have no history, everythings expensive or not available at all, and you need history to make things cheaper/available.
We are now about to get our Green Cards (hopefully early next year after applying as soon as we could) and it will still take a good 6 months for some lazy SOB in a Government dept to "switch" our status from one to the other - and then we have to wait 5 years before we can apply for citizenship.
And people wonder why there are illeagals?
Not that I agree - it annoys the crap outta me that I have done everything right, pay taxes and SS and still could get deported using the same rules as an illeagal for farting in the wrong place....
Sorry for derailing... although it looked derailed anyway
My wife got a job with her company here, as a manager who would (and now has) hire Americans and teach them some pretty unique skills in the Oil and Gas industry to improve deep drilling in the gulf.
We are both from the UK, naturalized and I have even served in our equiv. of the National Guard (meaning there is a **** load of data on me to prove I'm not a "bad egg").
We almost had the highest level visa there is, and yet it STILL took 4 months for the government to approve my personal paper work (as an accompanying spouse), get me an SSN and then get me a driving licence. I couldn't work until that was all sorted.
We have been here 3.5 years now (4 in March) and my credit rating only this year went to an acceptable level - as we both basically came in on zeros (nothing from the UK counted despite the fact we had credit cards, mortgage and car loan histories).
I've never known a system so reliant on previous history for everything from buying a car, getting a cell phone or even your car insurance rates.
It's the perfect Catch 22 - if you have no history, everythings expensive or not available at all, and you need history to make things cheaper/available.
We are now about to get our Green Cards (hopefully early next year after applying as soon as we could) and it will still take a good 6 months for some lazy SOB in a Government dept to "switch" our status from one to the other - and then we have to wait 5 years before we can apply for citizenship.
And people wonder why there are illeagals?
Not that I agree - it annoys the crap outta me that I have done everything right, pay taxes and SS and still could get deported using the same rules as an illeagal for farting in the wrong place....
Sorry for derailing... although it looked derailed anyway
, but let me tell you, from experience with friends and immigration, it is much, MUCH harder to get into Canada. It's awful.
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Originally Posted by Z Phil
Glad to know you managed to finally get through! , but let me tell you, from experience with friends and immigration, it is much, MUCH harder to get into Canada. It's awful.
, but let me tell you, from experience with friends and immigration, it is much, MUCH harder to get into Canada. It's awful.If UK, don't we own Canada?
JK
Thanks for the kind words, I thought I was going mental at one point...
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