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str8dum - 135mph in a Z you would need approx 650whp AND proper gearing AND powerband (stay in 4th)
135 trap in a G35 you need 700-725whp and the same as above
Dont go off the times on the drag forums as there are lists of 20+ drivers with only a handful of guys who can actually extract 90% of the setups. 750whp would be cake to hit 135mph trap in a Z or G WITH some fat b!tch riding shotgun.
135 trap in a G35 you need 700-725whp and the same as above
Dont go off the times on the drag forums as there are lists of 20+ drivers with only a handful of guys who can actually extract 90% of the setups. 750whp would be cake to hit 135mph trap in a Z or G WITH some fat b!tch riding shotgun.
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ya I have a G35, so my 750 target isnt that far off. And I 'd like to do that on pump +meth 
If my 28" tires and 3.3 FD doesnt make it thru the traps in 4th with cams and big turbos, not much more I can do.
I can prolly only extract 90% of my setup, so my HP needs to be 10% higher.
If my 28" tires and 3.3 FD doesnt make it thru the traps in 4th with cams and big turbos, not much more I can do.
I can prolly only extract 90% of my setup, so my HP needs to be 10% higher.
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a neat OLD thread about 18g's with some 20g #s on a Supra
https://my350z.com/forum/forced-indu...issan-z-4.html
Just for future reference when the CRAZY people here need more, they got TWIN TD06L2 20G 8cm^2 turbos and hit 666whp/551lb-ft torque and later 690whp, 789whp/625wtq(100-octane), and 801whp/633wtq(104-octane).
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why not have your name on the top 20 list then? and why would you change steups if you could go that fast. thats 10s potential plus great small turbo spool. 
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a neat OLD thread about 18g's with some 20g #s on a Supra
https://my350z.com/forum/forced-indu...issan-z-4.html
https://my350z.com/forum/forced-indu...issan-z-4.html
On that motor they were able to get 577 whp with 18G's, but 801 whp with 20G's. That's over a 38.8% increase in hp. Now extrapolate that to our motors. For now, just take Alberto's 675 whp, and increase that by 38.8%. Now you are over 900 whp.
And at 675 Alberto has not even maxed out the 18G's.EDIT: Alberto's hp changed to 675 whp.
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Havent seen you post in a while and I now remember why I didnt miss you. Being misinformed, or failing to do something yourself doesnt mean it cant be done Dil
18G's will hit 700whp
Whats funny is the people who try to act like they really pushed their setups and for example want 700whp out of a Greddy kit (18G) arent the ones who want a loud dual 3" exhaust, open dumps, dual or triple fuel pump systems, triple clutches, etc. Skimp on anything, including the TUNING and it just wont happen.
We also have shops out in this community who CLAIM to REALLY push the limits of setups but wont do so even if a customer wants to - or the shops who claim 600+whp stock block G37's but then tell the customer to never set it at that boost level EVER. Why shops do that is another thread.
Everything is a compromise....
AMEN BROTHER!!!
18G's will hit 700whp
Whats funny is the people who try to act like they really pushed their setups and for example want 700whp out of a Greddy kit (18G) arent the ones who want a loud dual 3" exhaust, open dumps, dual or triple fuel pump systems, triple clutches, etc. Skimp on anything, including the TUNING and it just wont happen.
We also have shops out in this community who CLAIM to REALLY push the limits of setups but wont do so even if a customer wants to - or the shops who claim 600+whp stock block G37's but then tell the customer to never set it at that boost level EVER. Why shops do that is another thread.
Everything is a compromise....
AMEN BROTHER!!!
Ask Sharif, we been through this, while you conceptually think I suggest keeping to yourself.
I know the limits of the 20'gs as I have tried to max them out big shot, that’s all ill say there
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care to enlighten us, since that would basically end this thread!
Thawk, good reason. hopefully you went sleeved and huge! unsleeved would be risky at best
Thawk, good reason. hopefully you went sleeved and huge! unsleeved would be risky at best
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^ On a 3.5l motor @20psi made640rwhp. increased the boost and it was just blowing hot air, the turbos were maxed out before the fuel was.
So since we didn't need to dump more fuel in, as the fuel pressure was stable. It was simple to conclude that the 20g's have a max out put of about 640-650 rwhp dyno dynamics.
I read that you wanted to hit the 135 trap mark, with that power it can be done but its harder, @700 rwhp you should easly be 135+.
Call Brian over a Forced Performance, tell him Dilsher sent you and he will tell you whats up.
It is pricey though.
So since we didn't need to dump more fuel in, as the fuel pressure was stable. It was simple to conclude that the 20g's have a max out put of about 640-650 rwhp dyno dynamics.
I read that you wanted to hit the 135 trap mark, with that power it can be done but its harder, @700 rwhp you should easly be 135+.
Call Brian over a Forced Performance, tell him Dilsher sent you and he will tell you whats up.
It is pricey though.
Motor is unsleeved. Built it a couple years ago when I thought 500whp is all I would ever want. We will see what she can take.
Nice find.
On that motor they were able to get 577 whp with 18G's, but 801 whp with 20G's. That's over a 38.8% increase in hp. Now extrapolate that to our motors. For now, just take Alberto's 675 whp, and increase that by 38.8%. Now you are over 900 whp. And at 675 Alberto has not even maxed out the 18G's.
On that motor they were able to get 577 whp with 18G's, but 801 whp with 20G's. That's over a 38.8% increase in hp. Now extrapolate that to our motors. For now, just take Alberto's 675 whp, and increase that by 38.8%. Now you are over 900 whp.
And at 675 Alberto has not even maxed out the 18G's.
i recently grabbed a pair of the greddy 20gs from the tuner kit... my car has everything else to see how much they could ever make under the most ideal circumstances (build thread coming next week hopefully, been too busy to elaborate on the plethora of **** we have done with this engine bay)... if only winter was not just starting as i speak.
one thing to keep in mind is that greddy has already taken their HR car to 750rwhp with their whole tuner kit... and the guy i talk to there says theres some left in there that they will be exploring soon.
one thing to keep in mind is that greddy has already taken their HR car to 750rwhp with their whole tuner kit... and the guy i talk to there says theres some left in there that they will be exploring soon.
Sentence in bold above should say I know what Sharifs limits are on the 20G's.
My car does 675whp, 634ft/lbs @ 17psi pump + meth. I wont share 20psi though.
Originally Posted by thawk
I ran a 132.5 trap with 522rwhp dd with 18g's
EDIT-my memory doesnt fail me...you posted here you did this with 606whp on a DD dyno. I dont see any full interior Z getting into 130+traps at 522whp.
https://my350z.com/forum/drag/314109...ime-today.html
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My car made 50+whp more on the same setup at 20psi, once I left Forged...what do you have to say about that?
Sentence in bold above should say I know what Sharifs limits are on the 20G's.
My car does 675whp, 634ft/lbs @ 17psi pump + meth. I wont share 20psi though.
Im not calling you a liar because your an OG and I respect that you even ran your car, but I recall clearly you running 11.3 or 11.4 @ 133mph with 600whp - you mentioned it numerous times yourself....you sure about what you just posted?
EDIT-my memory doesnt fail me...you posted here you did this with 606whp on a DD dyno. I dont see any full interior Z getting into 130+traps at 522whp.
https://my350z.com/forum/drag/314109...ime-today.html
Sentence in bold above should say I know what Sharifs limits are on the 20G's.
My car does 675whp, 634ft/lbs @ 17psi pump + meth. I wont share 20psi though.
Im not calling you a liar because your an OG and I respect that you even ran your car, but I recall clearly you running 11.3 or 11.4 @ 133mph with 600whp - you mentioned it numerous times yourself....you sure about what you just posted?
EDIT-my memory doesnt fail me...you posted here you did this with 606whp on a DD dyno. I dont see any full interior Z getting into 130+traps at 522whp.
https://my350z.com/forum/drag/314109...ime-today.html
Either the tune was off some how, which I dont think it was cause my AFR was still good. Or sharif's dyno at the time was calibrated to read high. The car still felt basicly the same tho. I was confused at the time, but just figured sharif's dyno was reading high. The local DD could be reading crazy low also.
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Ive seen Sharifs dyno read both high and low before. Low is wayyy lower than a DJ, and when it reads high its close. This is from seeing what mine used to do in the past, compared to a DJ as well as others with their setups.
Ive seen a well driven Z trap 132mph with 600whp on a DJ and no midrange due to having the cam timing out of whack (tuning wasnt done)
Ive seen a well driven Z trap 132mph with 600whp on a DJ and no midrange due to having the cam timing out of whack (tuning wasnt done)
I have a feeling it was calibrated more to read like a DJ that day. That would explain the low DD numbers. My car had pretty good midrange, but topend it started to fall off due to the factory cams.