Another built motor Vortech dreamer thread.
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Truthfully I'm happy with the power this setup has made. I was just trying to figure out if this had slip or if it's out of its efficiency. Car pulls great. Trying to see if there is room for more hp later on, if and when I decide to go that route.
dynosty uses a dynojet. cin;s website says they are on a mustang, which you can setup however you want. Classically a properly setup mustang will read equal to a dynojet if not lower.
If you think Hal left alot on the table, did you talk to him about that?
looks like 40-50* temp increase but it drops immediately after dropping out of boost. i'd like to see Oldmans 8* increase over the same kinda of pull.
could be intercooler but could also be past the supercharger efficiency.
plot your boost vs rpm. that will immediately tell you if you have slip.
If you think Hal left alot on the table, did you talk to him about that?
looks like 40-50* temp increase but it drops immediately after dropping out of boost. i'd like to see Oldmans 8* increase over the same kinda of pull.
could be intercooler but could also be past the supercharger efficiency.
plot your boost vs rpm. that will immediately tell you if you have slip.
Either way, two totally different dynos run by different shops and different tuners. Could be all kinds of differences.
But yeah that temperature sure get's up high. High 70's /80 all the way to what around 130? That's to 7k rpm. Would be curious what the temps see past 7k. You drop off in power a lot past 7k so...
You'd make more power with a meth injection system just because you'd have guaranteed lower temps. How much? won't know until you put it in. I wouldn't bother putting a smaller pulley on there. I'd look at securing the bracket, with timrod, home brew, or something else. Then I'd look at a diy meth kit. You don't have fueling issues so you should get gains without more tuning (temperature sensor will pick up lower AIT if you mount the nozzle pre sensor). If I were doing a single nozzle setup I'd put it as close to the blower as possible to help guarantee it's properly atomized. Sometimes the meth can cause the sensor to read lower than actual temp.
A meth kit can be quite cheap to piece together. Hit me up if you do go this route, I have some spare nozzles and holders I'd ship you for basically cost to ship. A pump is like $100 give or take, hobbs switches are cheap, and you can spend as much or as little as you want building or buying a meth tank.
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Thanks for the offer, I'll have to look into the whole meth direction.. Never really looked into it. Tim already shipped me out a bracket today so that's covered.
Here is a video of a log from last night. I left on the launch control and haltechs traction control. I'd show the vid but its against the rules here..
350z vortech log - YouTube
350z vortech log - YouTube
I won't try to convince you what mix to run or how to set it up, but I do think it's totally worth it, especially in your case. There are tons and tons of ways to do it (Pure meth, pure water, 50/50 75/25 blah blah, direct port, intake, pre turbine, pre turbine+ direct port). To get the absolute max out of it you'd want to have it tuned with the kit on, but adding a mix of meth won't hurt anything, and will get you at least some power back. Might make you a bit richer, but it will still lower IAT's.
Josh, what was the Amibiant Temp on that Run?
All that matters here is ATI's compared to Ambient temp. That's the number you need to know.
0*f Perfect
5-10* Great, This is about the best you can do with an Air to Air without impeding flow to much.
10-15* Good
15-20* OK
20-30* Crap, mis-matched
30-50* Sucks big time
70-75* MeanZ
All that matters here is ATI's compared to Ambient temp. That's the number you need to know.
0*f Perfect
5-10* Great, This is about the best you can do with an Air to Air without impeding flow to much.
10-15* Good
15-20* OK
20-30* Crap, mis-matched
30-50* Sucks big time
70-75* MeanZ
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I made a new category for you, look at post 386.
Is this your IC? http://vibrantperformance.com/catalo...oducts_id=1929
Time for a New IC...... Matched to your Motor. The one you have now is just not working for you it. It is likely a Low Density Core and only 3-1/2 inch think.
The TreadStone Tr1245 works very well, and is a Medium Density Core. This is the one I use, and I've recommended it to many people. Colombo is one of them and he has a similar setup as you! Check it out.....
TimRod
Is this your IC? http://vibrantperformance.com/catalo...oducts_id=1929
Time for a New IC...... Matched to your Motor. The one you have now is just not working for you it. It is likely a Low Density Core and only 3-1/2 inch think.
The TreadStone Tr1245 works very well, and is a Medium Density Core. This is the one I use, and I've recommended it to many people. Colombo is one of them and he has a similar setup as you! Check it out.....
TimRod
Last edited by OldManZ350; Feb 9, 2015 at 11:44 PM.
For every 5.5f degrees you raise the Intake Temp, you Loose 1% Power & TQ...
All that matters here is ATI's compared to Ambient temp. That's the number you need to know.
0*f Perfect
5-10* Great, This is about the best you can do with an Air to Air without impeding flow to much.
10-15* Good
15-20* OK
20-30* Crap, mis-matched
30-50* Sucks big time
70-75* MeanZ
All that matters here is ATI's compared to Ambient temp. That's the number you need to know.
0*f Perfect
5-10* Great, This is about the best you can do with an Air to Air without impeding flow to much.
10-15* Good
15-20* OK
20-30* Crap, mis-matched
30-50* Sucks big time
70-75* MeanZ
Man, a proper sized Intercooler make a big difference. Makes me feel like even though I use meth injection to cool the intake temps down, its just a bandaid for inefficient intercooling.
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My IATs really rise on a pull. About 30* on a pull on low boost I was seeing 100* rise on high boost the other day. But the procharger intercooler is really small.
I plan to upgrade fmic soon and go with a meth kit
For what it's worth I gained 2 tenths and 2 mph in my wrx with 50/50 meth with no tuning.
I plan to upgrade fmic soon and go with a meth kit
For what it's worth I gained 2 tenths and 2 mph in my wrx with 50/50 meth with no tuning.
My IATs really rise on a pull. About 30* on a pull on low boost I was seeing 100* rise on high boost the other day. But the procharger intercooler is really small.
I plan to upgrade fmic soon and go with a meth kit
For what it's worth I gained 2 tenths and 2 mph in my wrx with 50/50 meth with no tuning.
I plan to upgrade fmic soon and go with a meth kit
For what it's worth I gained 2 tenths and 2 mph in my wrx with 50/50 meth with no tuning.
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Yes, I was able to stretch the coupler around it.. I'm goin to Cin saturday. Going to do a pull with the intake on and off and see if there are any differences. Not really chasing anymore numbers at the moment, we will just say its for science lol.
I love my tr1245. But it's deff huge! No room for your blower intake if you run this intercooler. But aits looked great during tuning and jon did 20-30 pulls with no breaks. When I'm at the track even on 90+ degree days the intercooler when I get into the pits feels ice ice cold. It's pretty sweet. And the intercooler is also fairly priced
I think an important thing to mention here aswell is that like was mentioned before, now adays a mustang dyno can be made to read equal to a dyno jet or any other dyno. Yet every tuner has their dyno setup differently and some are made to read high perhaps. What's important to focus on is the gains you make on the same dyno at CIN from your SI trim to your ti trim. Even though that's still not going to be an exact comparison as there is still lots of variables that have changed like weather, it should show a general "gains" from your SI to ti.
Our community focuses soooo much on numbers. What's important is how much you enjoy what you have spent thousands on and putting it to use where you built it to perform. Get them new slicks and skinnies and hit the pavement, and leave the number chasing for those show car ppl 👍
My street Intake with the Tr1245
I love my tr1245. But it's deff huge! No room for your blower intake if you run this intercooler. But aits looked great during tuning and jon did 20-30 pulls with no breaks. When I'm at the track even on 90+ degree days the intercooler when I get into the pits feels ice ice cold. It's pretty sweet. And the intercooler is also fairly priced








