Cass007.... ver 5.0
I dropped off the longblock at Justice today, teardown on Tuesday and evaluation of options to follow. I confirmed that the turbos are done....again, but the heads and cams may have survived. I almost want to build a block from all the failed pieces just to see how long it would last. It would be loose as hell and eventually blow up, but that is basically what is happening now anyway.
Corey - Every time I have done a rebuild I have used brand new components. New cores, heads, cams, timing chains and so on. I have all the lines flushed as well.
I dropped off the longblock at Justice today, teardown on Tuesday and evaluation of options to follow. I confirmed that the turbos are done....again, but the heads and cams may have survived. I almost want to build a block from all the failed pieces just to see how long it would last. It would be loose as hell and eventually blow up, but that is basically what is happening now anyway.
I dropped off the longblock at Justice today, teardown on Tuesday and evaluation of options to follow. I confirmed that the turbos are done....again, but the heads and cams may have survived. I almost want to build a block from all the failed pieces just to see how long it would last. It would be loose as hell and eventually blow up, but that is basically what is happening now anyway.
I have been reading but have not commented on the situation since I have nothing to contribute. I don't think many people here can put themselves in your shoes after all that has happened. I'm glad that you have gone the DIY route since it is not easy to keep doling out $$$ on labor and not have any guarantee. If you need any documentation or anything let me know and I will be more than happy to help you out.
Do you have pics of how you have your inline filter installed since I will probably want to implement that since my motor is currently out
http://www.maperformance.com/earls-i...il-filter.html
Last edited by Glex25; Jul 2, 2010 at 06:47 AM.
The only people that will tell you that an oil cooler is not necessary for reliable FI are those that either (A) don't run an oil temperature gauge or (B) don't have a car that runs (sits in a garage, been in a shop past 3 yrs, etc).
I can post data logs of oil temp vs seconds in boost WITH an oil cooler. You keep the revs above 5k for more than 20 seconds and you will see oil temps climb regardless of what kind of cooler you've got. The larger the cooler, the harder you can push it without the engine getting too hot. I drive twisty roads back and forth each day to work, only 20 mins, in 3rd and 4th gear, at 15 psi, and my oil peak temp yesterday was 260 deg F. Peak coolant was 185. Peak trans was 200. Ambient air temp was 89 deg F. AIT was 75-90 degrees (running W/M). Do what you want with the data.
Alberto, if you've been running great without an oil cooler, consider yourself lucky - and get an oil cooler on there. I'd be surprised if you didn't have elevated copper and lead levels in your UOA from Blackstone.
I can post data logs of oil temp vs seconds in boost WITH an oil cooler. You keep the revs above 5k for more than 20 seconds and you will see oil temps climb regardless of what kind of cooler you've got. The larger the cooler, the harder you can push it without the engine getting too hot. I drive twisty roads back and forth each day to work, only 20 mins, in 3rd and 4th gear, at 15 psi, and my oil peak temp yesterday was 260 deg F. Peak coolant was 185. Peak trans was 200. Ambient air temp was 89 deg F. AIT was 75-90 degrees (running W/M). Do what you want with the data.
Alberto, if you've been running great without an oil cooler, consider yourself lucky - and get an oil cooler on there. I'd be surprised if you didn't have elevated copper and lead levels in your UOA from Blackstone.
Last edited by BrianLG35C; Jul 2, 2010 at 09:56 AM.
thats the filter, just put it in line with the turbo feed. no pics needed
Try $1600 for Garret turbo rebuild
Do you have pics of how you have your inline filter installed since I will probably want to implement that since my motor is currently out
http://www.maperformance.com/earls-i...il-filter.html
Do you have pics of how you have your inline filter installed since I will probably want to implement that since my motor is currently out
http://www.maperformance.com/earls-i...il-filter.html
Have you done any Blackstone UOA? If the copper and lead levels are fine, then I guess no wear and tear is evident, so that's another metric I guess.
Last edited by rcdash; Jul 2, 2010 at 12:01 PM.
Usually if someone doesn't have an oil cooler they also don't have an oil temp gauge so it's a moot point. If they had an oil temp gauge I bet an oil cooler would be on order shortly thereafter LOL
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I had already gotten my oil cooler but after running my car with the temp gauge hooked up without the cooler hooked up...
If I hadn't already bought it it would have gone straight on the list lol
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Even my old 1992 300Z TT I had back in the mid-90's came from the factory with an external oil cooler, not sure how good it was because I never put a gauge on that car - lol
The motor/turbo's did however last 125K miles before one of the turbo's finally croaked. I used castrol 15W-50 in the summer and 10W-40 in the winter, regular catrol dino-oil for 10 years daily driven!
You going to take it back to Blouch or are you going to start looking for a different turbo kit?
I have been reading but have not commented on the situation since I have nothing to contribute. I don't think many people here can put themselves in your shoes after all that has happened. I'm glad that you have gone the DIY route since it is not easy to keep doling out $$$ on labor and not have any guarantee. If you need any documentation or anything let me know and I will be more than happy to help you out.
I have been reading but have not commented on the situation since I have nothing to contribute. I don't think many people here can put themselves in your shoes after all that has happened. I'm glad that you have gone the DIY route since it is not easy to keep doling out $$$ on labor and not have any guarantee. If you need any documentation or anything let me know and I will be more than happy to help you out.
Try $1600 for Garret turbo rebuild
- like $1750 for the last one. $2300 if I want to change wheels or housings again.There are parts of this kit that I love and parts that I don't. I would have to replace the turbos (or at least discount the price of replacement) if I sell the kit, so its only worth $2200ish. I am going to do a little research to see if I can hybrid something like this:
http://www.speedforceracing.com/inde...productID=1011
and then add a tank and return pump for the oil returns, change or customize the pipes to the IC too. I need to see if my turbos would bolt up to this setup. I think I can rotate the cold side housings so they point in the right direction for the IC pipes. Just thinking out loud here...
^^ that would get you in the realm of a custom kit pretty much.... its like most of the cast logs that most kits come with can just be swapped even to aftermarlet headders, much less this....the ammount of modifications requeired...migth as well get something more 1-off-turbo-kit then......
You may want to get in touch with Sound Performance since they make a kit very similar to this. Just putting it out there.
See here:
http://www.spracingonline.com/store/...Kit__350Z/3223
See here:
http://www.spracingonline.com/store/...Kit__350Z/3223
You may want to get in touch with Sound Performance since they make a kit very similar to this. Just putting it out there.
See here:
http://www.spracingonline.com/store/...Kit__350Z/3223
See here:
http://www.spracingonline.com/store/...Kit__350Z/3223
wow 1750$ is $$$, PTE journal bearings are only 300$/each to rebuild.
FWIW, If you are going to a header style setup, find a shop that can do all the fabrication on the car. Getting it made in a jig and then retrofitted is mediocre fitment at best. I definitely had to 'massage' my kit in and woulda easily paid SFR or SP to make it on my car if they were so far away.
Tim at SFR can weld any mounting flange on to those headers, so you can make your current turbos fit.
- like $1750 for the last one. $2300 if I want to change wheels or housings again.
There are parts of this kit that I love and parts that I don't. I would have to replace the turbos (or at least discount the price of replacement) if I sell the kit, so its only worth $2200ish. I am going to do a little research to see if I can hybrid something like this:
http://www.speedforceracing.com/inde...productID=1011
and then add a tank and return pump for the oil returns, change or customize the pipes to the IC too. I need to see if my turbos would bolt up to this setup. I think I can rotate the cold side housings so they point in the right direction for the IC pipes. Just thinking out loud here...
FWIW, If you are going to a header style setup, find a shop that can do all the fabrication on the car. Getting it made in a jig and then retrofitted is mediocre fitment at best. I definitely had to 'massage' my kit in and woulda easily paid SFR or SP to make it on my car if they were so far away.
Tim at SFR can weld any mounting flange on to those headers, so you can make your current turbos fit.
- like $1750 for the last one. $2300 if I want to change wheels or housings again.There are parts of this kit that I love and parts that I don't. I would have to replace the turbos (or at least discount the price of replacement) if I sell the kit, so its only worth $2200ish. I am going to do a little research to see if I can hybrid something like this:
http://www.speedforceracing.com/inde...productID=1011
and then add a tank and return pump for the oil returns, change or customize the pipes to the IC too. I need to see if my turbos would bolt up to this setup. I think I can rotate the cold side housings so they point in the right direction for the IC pipes. Just thinking out loud here...
If only I had $$$ I would take the manifolds, the wastegate downpipes and the Wastegates.
I been wanting to go external wastegate forever
Just finished moving one side of the kit to the new motor and found I had exhaust leak since 2 nuts were missing for the bottom bolts for the header.
I been wanting to go external wastegate forever
Just finished moving one side of the kit to the new motor and found I had exhaust leak since 2 nuts were missing for the bottom bolts for the header.
Last edited by Glex25; Jul 3, 2010 at 03:30 PM.
